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So...that finale?

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Was great - maybe the best episode of the series so far - other than the first two?

I really think Merle is going to sacrifice himself for Daryl.

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I didn't see how that episode was worth calling a finale. Seemed like an average episode to me, and it didn't end with such a huge cliffhanger.

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It's not really a finale. It's a "midseason finale"...so really it's just the middle episode of the season.

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A midseason finale is also called a finale. ;) I expected a liiiiiiiiitle bit more from it.

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So quiet here since its return.

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Andrea worst character on TV?

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I don't think so. Think of it this way:

She runs back to the Prison to see her old group and she finds out that two friends are dead, Hershel has one leg, they have no food, are surrounded by zombies, she was ratted-out by her best friend, and Rick has gone nuts. They have committed to a fight she believes they can't win, and showed no consideration for the people in Woodbury (many innocent, and remember a Woodbury bystander was killed by the group). Essentially, her old group has gone completely to shit.

Meanwhile, Woodbury has plenty of food, weapons, ammo, and an army. As for her obsession with Phil... women are attracted to security, and Andrea has always gone with the most "alpha" male she could find. While nuts, Phil is pretty alpha.

I can't say I agree with her decision making, but I don't find it unbelievable. As we've seen time and time again in this series, people make bad decisions when under severe stress.

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She's just in a manipulative/abusive relationship...and "Philip" makes here dingle tingle.

Andrea gets an F- in identifying psychotic sociopathic killers. I feel kind of bad, but I'm okay with whatever bad karma comes her way.

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She's the most annoying, at the very least. Also a terrible actress. Just ready for her to die.

Last episode was also super boring.

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Oh it wasn't just her actions in this episode.. even if being played the weasley nerd character.

Just seems like they pile a ton of crap on her character and offers so little redemption so far.

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I would agree with this. Andrea hasn't had a ton of great development, and seems to be strung along as a plot vehicle among other things.

The writing and character development is still really inconsistent. This show is just stuck in B- territory, and I've come to terms with that and just lowered my expectations. As such, this season is still miles ahead of the first two.

I'm a little sad because The Governor and the Woodbury stuff could have been more suspenseful, but instead, we are getting a fairly unnerving inside perspective with no real stakes.

Merle and Andrea both drive me nuts. But whatever. I look forward to the reboot in a few years.

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You do know that The Walking Dead is one of the highest rated shows on TV, right? It even beat The Big Bang Theory when head to head with the Oscars. This is a cable show going toe to toe with network TV and winning. In a few years this show won't be rebooted, it will still be on the air.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...ster-down.html

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I guess I should celebrate the success of a zombie TV show adapted from a comic book.

Then again, popularity has always had an interesting correlation with quality.

I'm actually in agreement with you. I think they will string this show along for a while...to what end? Cancellation? A planned finale?

It will be interesting to see. In the mean time, I enjoy the moments when the show strikes that suspenseful, post-Apocalyptic feeling, and sucks me in. Frequently, I find the pacing to be off, the drama to be forced, characters underdeveloped or inconsistently written, etc.

We know there was conflict with the creator and writers in Season 1 and 2, which explains some of the inconsistencies. I'm sure we are still feeling that. It's also hard to develop characters and plot for an ongoing show. AMC's decision to split the show into halves didn't help with the pacing either.

The hardest part for me is that I love the comics, I love the mythology and lore, and I bounce between wanting to like the show and liking the show. I like a lot of characters on the show, and I'm happy that it deviates from the comics.

As with Season 2...I feel like much of the current conflict is forced and anticlimactic. We have too much insight into Woodbury, and the Governor is a tad too humanized, imo. I have some faith in the team of writers. It's a bit too early in the season for a climax, so I expect a curve ball that is going to shock everyone. Something much bigger than the feud between Rick and the Governor.

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Loved this last ep. And was written by the new showrunner. :banana:

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KG - I agree with everything you wrote. In fact, I think the show should adopt the framework of Downton Abbey. They skip long periods of time and get to the good stuff rather than trying to create a play by play of all events that take place.

I really liked the last show as well, but still don't understand why they didn't tie up Morgan after he tried to kill them and they saw the crazy writing on the walls...

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I seem to recall Rick did tie his hands together with some zip ties. Didn't actually tie him to anything else though. I guess he also kind of assumed he would at least recognize him.

One thing I found really odd is...so all this time they've been a short distance away from Rick's hometown? How did Rick, being a police officer, not know that prison was there the entire time?

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I was wondering that as well, but imagined it had to be a longer drive than they were showing us.

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Mmm finger biting good.

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I love Michael Rooker, so I'm glad to see that he toned down the over-the-top, "stereotypical dumbass racist redneck" that he played in Season 1.

He did a good job this last episode, and this season in general (and last season with his hallucination cameo).

My question: is this writing, or acting choice? Either way, I tip my hat off to him and his fingers. Heh.

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What a terrible season finale.

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Agreed. It started out so strong, too. But the "assault" was a joke. I get why they did it the way they did, because the Governor's men have no real experience fighting, but it was SOOOO unsatisfying. Also, why is everyone leaving Woodbury for a FUCKING PRISON? Take over the nice place with heat and electricity, not the shit hole.

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I don't get the pacing of this show at all.

It was a huge mistake to sit down Rick and the Governor before the showdown. The entire Andrea story arc has been a huge mistake. The Governor is probably one of the most inconsistently written characters on the show...which makes no sense because he is one of the most distinguished characters from the comics.

The writers have made it unclear if the Governor is just jaded like Rick, and upset over not doing enough to protect/save his daughter. Or is he a crazy, sociopathic mother fucker, that keeps heads in fish tanks and has no problem gunning down innocent people. Or is the Governor just pissed off because of Michonne?

The finale and showdown was wholly unsatisfying, and also kind of boring. =/ What didn't make any sense to me is that Caesar just stood there while the Governor started gunning down innocent Woodbury folks. Especially after that scene from the last episode where Caesar and Daryl finger-fucked each other over a cigarette. Evidently that scene had no real point in terms of character development for Caesar.

What didn't work for me was the stuff with Andrea. There was no suspense there, because I don't particularly care about her character. It's not that I don't feel bad for her, I do. I just think her character is poorly developed/written.

So where was the suspense? What are the stakes? What was the big surprise? Why am I supposed to care about Season 4?

In the end, this show is AMC's cash cow. It's making a TON of money. It's getting a ton of views. People were complaining that they kept playing commercials every 5 minutes. I wouldn't know because I don't watch live TV anymore, but I believe it.

Either way, I still enjoy the show when it occasionally is in stride, so I'll probably tune in to Season 4 come this October.

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Really, really bad finale. In fact, I thought most of the last 4 episodes weren't so great leading up to it...The first 12 episodes had some pretty good moments this season, and I thought it was heading to a better place...but no, that was just super, super, super weak.

3 showrunners in 4 years, that's some messy production.

I normally hate reboots, but can they just reboot The Walking Dead with more competent writers, actors, and showrunners? I think that's what I'm always disappointed by. The source material is so good, but the show is so mediocre.

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Ugh, I'm watching the season finale right now. I can't believe they're spreading out Andrea's scene over the whole episode.
She was picking up the tool with her feet and then bringing it to her hand. I told myself "If she drops it, I'll stop watching." She dropped it, such cliche. I still want to finish it, but I'm a bit mad at the show, so I'm taking a break.

What the governor did sure was unexpected. It kind of suits him, but I feel the show writers were just looking for a way to cut costs and avoid a huge battle.
The whole season is woking towards this war that doesn't come. Bad writing.

Edit: Ugh. Now all those women and children are going to move into the prison, while they have this nice and fully operational village just around the corner? Madness.
Oh, I hate the show for trying to make me like Andrea one last time. "I just didn't want anyone to get killed, that's pretty much my life motto!" Yeah right.

Also, why do they keep killing and amputating people that have bite wounds, even though they know everybody's already infected and all you need to turn is to die?


Anyway I saw the whole second half of season 3 in just 4 days. Some episodes I played at 110% speed, just to save some time. I expected good stuff to be in those episodes somewhere (and I guess they were), but most of it just seemed like a waste of my time. The episode with the surviving guy in the city was pretty good I guess.
Oh one thing that blew my mind in one of the earlier episodes: when those 4 survivors entered the prison and were waiting for Rick to come back, some others are talking to them and mending their wounds. All of a sudden that suicidal chick comes in with the baby, walks to the other side of the room, does nothing, and goes back again.
WHY WAS SHE TAKING A BABY INTO A ROOM WHERE SHE DIDN'T NEED ANYTHING, AMONG POSSIBLY DANGEROUS STRANGERS?!?!?!?! I know the writers were just trying to create a meaningful scene, but if you give it a little more thought, it all falls apart.

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Anyone watching? The episodes have been decent, although the whole disease thing took a bit too long.

But this last one with the governor? Boooooring!

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I have officially quit watching it. I watched the first two episodes of this season, and they were so boring I just quit.

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I think this has been my favorite season thus far. And this last episode was probably my favorite from that.

That being said, just dropped the comic. Might pick it up again in the future. But that has been far too slow.

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Thats the problem I had with the second season when I quit watching. Just kept thinking 'FIND THAT STUPID GIRL ALREADY!' My friend kept saying I should start again because the show got really good, and the review I read of a recent episode had nothing good to say about the pacing and some other things..

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Some episodes are decent (usually the first ones of a new season). What I like about this season is that they killed off the most annoying characters in season 3.
What I don't like is that the last 2 episodes suggest we're now going to get a repetition of last season's story. -_-

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It really has not improved, despite some of the positive comments here. I typed up my rant and deleted it because I don't care that much, but this season feels a lot like the last season...same inconsistent pacing, all the suspense is because characters are doing the dumbest things possible, etc.

They introduced a bunch of new characters so those characters can be killed off, everyone seems to have forgotten about The Governor.... the zombie suspense is forced too, and it shows up like clockwork every episode or two so the network/writers can fill their forced zombie attack quota.

You'd figure if the Governor was coming back they would establish the prison as a utopia. Instead people are dying from a plague...which should be a very insignificant concern in a prison of all places (don't the doors lock?). The fences are falling apart (WTF?), and worst of all, everyone seems oblivious to The Governor. Honestly, the prison seems like a pretty unsafe place to be at this point. Why wouldn't you get the fuck out of dodge and go somewhere else?

To top it all off, new survivors keep showing up so they can die in the same episode (usually during a trip to suburbia or the forest), and for some reason the car manufactures continue to make new models of cars in this zombie apocalypse and supply them to our team of survivors. What a luxury. Why not move into the car factory, I bet it has nice amenities than the prison.

I turn this show on and sort of half-watch it while I read Reddit and catch up on the news, but I don't dedicate an hour in front of my TV.

It's just mediocre. That's the word I'd use. A combination of bad and disappointing. So much wasted potential squandered with budget cuts and poorly paced episodes, and horrible writing. This:

http://www.yourmoviesucks.org/2013/0...-1-part-1.html

http://www.yourmoviesucks.org/2013/1...-1-part-2.html

I keep saying it...this show would have been better if they kept the 6-10 episodes per season format, didn't do this mid season finale bullshit, didn't cut the budget, and didn't fire the show's fucking creator.

I hope the reboot sucks less.

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...and the mid season finale looks to be exactly what we all guessed it would be. Fucking shocking. Like, shock my balls, brave writers of The Walking Dead.

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What happened? I don't mind spoilers.

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It looks like The Governor is going to attack the prison, which should have been the Season 3 finale.

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Wait didn't he technically attack the prison in Season 3?

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He did...but nothing significant came of it.

That's why the writing for this show is dogshit. Now the Governor is attacking the prison, yet again...only this time there are no stakes, or the stakes are way lower. I mean, why would you want to live at that prison? The prison seems incredibly unsafe. Walkers are attracted to it, people are dying left and right from the plague, Rick makes poor decisions on a daily basis.

Say what you will about the Governor being fucking crazy and selfish and a narcissistic psycho, but at least Woodbury had four walls and stability.

What made the attacks on the prison so significant in the comics is one of two things. (1) Surprise. After escaping the prison / the rape and torture, it was implied that everyone was home free and that The Governor did not know where the prison was located, therefore establishing the prison as a utopia of sorts. (2) Stability. The prison was not only safe, but they were starting up a farm life for food, they had the zombie situation under control, people were coupling and getting on with their lives....things were going great.

Season 3 of The Walking Dead made some Mark Sanchez butt fumbles with the writing, pacing, and plot...so now Season 4 gets to rehash the should-have-been-finale of Season 3. Which leaves all sorts of ? ? ? ? ? ? ? regarding where this show moves forward.

After the prison the comic departs into weird, slowly paced, sometimes mediocre "meh," so I'm hoping the TV show can throw some fun curves in the mix once freed from some of the source material...but I'm not holding my breath.

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I really wonder if anyone actually enjoys the story of the governor in S4. He used to be the biggest jerk in season 3....... and now we're supposed to like him again, just because for a while he forgets he's an evil bastard?

If they want to surprise us, he is NOT going to attack the prison.

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Tonight's the type of episode I stick around for, but so damn infrequent.