Re: What religion are you?
 

You are asking something of us, that you can't even disprove. How is this fair? Believing in something (or not) should work both ways. For example... God. No one can prove that he exists, but no one can prove that he doesn't. This is all about faith.

Here are a couple definitions about Faith:
(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
(2) : complete trust

So believing in God, we don't need scientific proof. We just need to believe it in our heart. The same goes for a person that doesn’t believe in God. The same goes for the bible. These men weren't crazy, they were men of God.

If people are so bent on not believing in God because there is no scientific fact that he exists, then how can you be so sure the he doesn’t exist? There is no fact saying that he doesn’t. Undecided… sure that is understandable. But saying that he doesn’t because there is no facts, you are just being a hypocrite.

Re: What religion are you?
 

Please, in a recent post show me wher i said he didnt exist....especially the one you quoted. Wher in that did I say God didnt exist hmm?

Re: What religion are you?
 

As to what I quoted with you, it was refering to the bible. Not to God. I was really commenting on dropCGCF comment, I just threw your post in there also because you wanted something proven too. It went along with what I was saying.

Sorry about that misunderstanding.

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You'd better be :mad:

All the way from Iraq, still talking **** :D

Re: What religion are you?
 

Read this quote from a bible study:
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The Accuracy Of Scripture is UnMatched Part I

The word of God is infallable. Every phrase, and each fact are directly revealed by The Holy Spirit

Gods word confirms this many times


1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.


2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The above verses speak for themselves, and are not subject to change.
God, is as he states able to preserve his word. This is a fact, which I will document below

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

and again

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Why is it so important that God preserves his word? There are several reasons. One of which, is that through them comes salvation. I will document this below

John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

and again


How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The word of God is also the Sword of the Believer


Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

and again


Eph 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

We can therefore conclude that the Bible is


the word of God

Will stand forever

Will be preserved By God

Is the Living Weopon of the Believer

Is not subject to private interpretation

Is the medium through which faith in Jesus Christ, and saving from eternal damnation takes place

Finally, Jesus himself states the following of what happens to anyone who adds to his word

Re 22:18 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book """

Re: What religion are you?
 

You cannot prove anything about how the bible was written, who wrote it and if they were unstable BY QUOTEING THE GOD DAMN BIBLE!!!


And sorry Camfu, it didnt understand. :p

Re: What religion are you?
 

The Bible is our proof. I do not think you understand that.

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Perhaps the bible in itself is proof enough for those who believe, but there are proofs outside the bible.

Didn't they recently discover that Jesus really lived? They found the tomb of his brother where it said 'XXXX, brother of Jesus'. In that time, you NEVER tell who your brother was. There was no point, unless he was a VERY special person.

Anyway, I don't need THAT proof. But a lot of things are happening that the bible predicted.

Like the prophecy of Daniel, where he actually foretold the shifts of power in like the 14th century. About how Brittain, France and Holland are big sea powers but are defeated by Spain or something.
I don't really know it by heart, but it's REALLY interesting what they wrote about our time.

Or the prophecy about Greece (a goat I think), Alexander the Great (the big horn), that died and was replaced by 3 generals (3 smaller horns in its place). That can't be coincidence IMO.

One of the most famous prophecies is the one about Babylon, the city that couldn't be taken. The bible foretold it 200 years earlier, and how!
That's like telling how the US will be defeated in 200 years, you just try it. :) And just one person gets the chance to put it into a holy book...

I believe. :D

Re: What religion are you?
 

I never said anywhere Jesus never existed. In fact, i do believe he did. I just dont believe he performed the miricles stated.

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I like the fact that you only replied to that part. My post was 5 times longer. :p

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'win' from you, or to convert you, I'm just pointing out interesting things. :) Things worth pondering about...

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I'm not sure if I like it.

I'm not sure if I like the fact that you only replied to that part
.
What is it like?Have you told many people that your
post was 5 times longer?Sounds delicious.:-) Where did you hear that?

Re: What religion are you?
 

So the bible's author is God? Wrong. According to christioans, it's "divine intervention" given to the hands of mortals through God. Don't you think some of these people could have been making this stuff up? Maybe they were high on shrooms.
The Catholic church has constantly held their beliefs, because they were "sent from god". The Catholics wanted Copernicus killed because he had the crazy idea that our universe is heliocentric. The bible is infallable? The bible was a book written by MEN. That is why it is at fault.

If God was all powerful, why would he care on spreading his word? That's like the president coming up to you and reminding you that he is such. It's illogical.

I love how you keep coming up with Biblical examples why the Bible is the word of God. I could tell you all day that I am god. I'll even write a book about it. Does that make me God? It could, just as well as the bible could be the word of god. If you believe so blindly about this, get your system checked.

The bible is symbolism. Why don't people get that? Things were written in numbers not because they were SPECIFIC countings, they were symbolic representations. The bible is not a law. Any law is subject to change. Where would we be now in America if the Constitution was not changed? The bible was a guideline for law that the framers had in mind for THAT time.

Science has consistently and thoroughly proved religion wrong. Religion is a scare tactic. I know priests. As I said before, I listened to them talking while inebriated. People need religion in their life because it makes them feel important, more than that tiny nano-molecule of pathetic existence in a vast, uncountable universe without end. If it brings comfort to you at the end of the day, wouldn't you believe it? Why do you think America doesn't show you about all the innocent kids we kill every day to protect what we have?

Religion is just something weak people ned to have so they have a reason to exist without making something out of their lives.

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I never said God wrote the bible. I said proof of his existence is through the bible, because as you stated, the bible was written through diving intervention. Since the writers' words were inspired by God (which is what I believe) that proves to me that there is a God.


The bible is a book written by MEN inspired by GOD.

We must believe in God's son Jesus to gain access to heaven. So are you saying that you believe there is a God? And of course He cares about us, he loves us because we are God's children.

You really do not have to be so rude, man. Like seriously. You must understand that I have my beliefs, and you have yours. Understand that I believe that the Bible is God's word, written by men. That is what I believe in, so please do not act like such a dick towards me. Grow up.

Again, you believe the bible is symbolism, and I don't. Do you know what I want to get? I want to get why people don't understand that the Bible is not symbolism.

Please provide me with some scientific examples that science has proven religion wrong, please. You know priests? Or do you know one priest? Or do you know all of them? Religion does not make me feel important. Actually, I am nothing compared to God. He is the all powerful, and I am his servant. But you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way.

Again, that is your opinion, but I must say it is a pretty ignorant one. I am going to university to become an accountant, and I plan to get married, have beautiful kids and a successful career. Is that not making something out of my life?

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You're still not giving me any proof of that. Men could have written it uninpired.

I don't believe Jesus was the son of god. I'm not going to Heaven? Jesus would be pretty vain if he said we needed to acknowledge him to come to his eternal party.

I'm just trying to get proof for your beliefs. Believing one sacred doctrine is terrible, especcially when people hand me pamphlets telling me to convert to their twisted beliefs. What if the Bible left something out? What should the law do then?

How was the earth created in two different ways? Maybe it was created twice. The bible contradicts itself many times because it is reworking the original beliefs. The Bible was not written all at once, so some things must have changed in the way of law and society, no?

Is the earth flat? I also forgot that the universe revolves around the earth. Sorry.

So you're counting money. I thought the Bible said that money and greed go hand in hand? Surely such a religious man would be eager to sell all his posessions and live day by day. Oh wait, that's not convenient. I don't see yoiu giving the money you provide a greedy ISP to a poor, starving child, do I? A man once greater than me said;
"I'd like to become a Christian, but alas I have never met one." the true believers, I would hope you agree, are actually practicing their faith rather than preaching it. It's what I do every day.

From the SKEPTIC mailing list:

First, the Christian:
How do you know your god exists?
The Bible says so.
How do you know the Bible tells the truth?
I have faith.
What if the Bible is wrong and your god doesn't exist?
That's impossible.

Now the physicist:
How do you know charge comes in discrete packets?
When you do this thing with an oil drop and an electric field, it shows the discrete nature of charge.
How do you know that?
Here's the protocol. Try it out yourself if you wish.
What if the experiment is wrong, and charge is continuous?
That would be a great discovery.

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That's the point. You need proof and have no faith.

Who are you to say what Jesus should or should not do?


Religion comes from tradition and scripture. You're obviously missing the first part.

The creation stories aren't truth, but simple stories to explain how we came to be.

LOL. You're so funny.

Every Christian should strive to act as Jesus did, but it is unrealistic to have everyone running around as a Jesus. Then we would be in heaven, yes?

And your point is?