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I would love to hear you're historical perspective on why the West is the problem in this tense relationship. For now I'm writing this off as your everyday liberal self-hate.

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I don't think Christians and Muslims would ever get along that well. It's the same reason why Protestants will hate Catholics, why Muslims will hate Jews, and why Hindus will hate Muslims. Religion makes people too attached to their feelings.

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I believe Osama said that America is the greatest threat to Islam. Now... could it possibly be because we're trying to spread Democracy?

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I dont want to start another hate forum...but what do you mean "your going to write this off as"? Was i sick the day your was the only opionion that counts? Whay can someone have an opinion without you saying how their views are wrong and illogical? Do like ruining people beliefs? Do you tell little children that there is no Santa, other than the fact that you dont think so?

I have no problem with you or what you say, just the manor you chose to say it in. You make it sound like you know everything.

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First of all... telling children that there is no Santa is awesome. It's what Maddox would do. http://maddox.xmission.com

Second of all... opinions are worthless if they are not based off of any facts. I don't know why you don't see this. If "opinions" come randomly out of the head, then they're wrong... yes, wrong. If you have the facts, then you can form an opinion.

And third of all... Uh... yeah.

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So then isnt The Strangler wrong in stating his OPINION on how someone elses OPINION was wrong? ( which is what i was saying)

And yes Maddox is the king...well...pirate king that is...except on april fools day, then he was the Mr. Clean king who loved everyone..

( And Crono..i do know that...read the sig, its been there for a while...)

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And third of all... he may not know everything, but by they way he presents his information, it appears he knows more than you. It's your job taking part in the debate to respect that; if you don't, he has no need to respect your opinion.

But, that's not the case here. I think you just missread what he posted, because I couldn't find a relation to what you said and what you quoted.

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Isn't a "view" and an "opinion" the same thing?

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Semantics my friend....but yes, they probably are...but the sentace wouldnt sound right without one of them in it...

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Typhoid, you need to take a philosophy class. There is a such thing as a valid and invalid point... your arguements are not valid because you don't base them off of facts. That doesn't mean you are "wrong" but it does mean that you can and never will come out on top in a debate and you will be made to look wrong by the people who use more facts to back there arguements.

Here's an example:

You are in a room, the room has two sides seperated by prison bars... On one side there is you, the keys to open up the door in the bars, and a gun. On the other side there is your worst enemy, and he is yelling at you that he will kill you the second you open the door and let him through.

"In my opinion you should hand him the gun and unlock the door and let him through, because I think if you do that he may become your best friend and not want to harm you at all."-Mr. Dumass

Is that opinion "wrong"? No... but is it based off of facts? No. Thus making the person who made the opinion sound like a complete idiot. Just think about it.

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Typhoid, a basic concept you are having trouble grasping is that there is a difference between having an opinion and having that opinion respected. The lynch pin in having your opinion respected is factual evidence to back it up.

There are many people here who don't agree with me but respect my opinions because I back them up with information and evidence and often times just common sense.

Do you see anyone here getting your back in this argument? That should tell you something.

All I did was ask Stonecutter for some information to back up why he felt that the West was the problem in the relationship between the Middle East and the West. Now there is plenty of information there if he wishes to look it up going back as far as the Crusades or as recent as the founding of Israel. I just wanted to see whether or not he was basing his opinion on political correctness or on actual information.

Now you might wonder I tend to be very blunt when challenging people's opinions, a reason I have kept secret until now...

The answer is simple: I am going to school to become a secondary school teacher and the best way to engage a young mind to tell them they're wrong, because as we all know young people think they are always right. By telling them they are wrong, even if they have a valid point, it inspires further study and gives them a reason to become more involved in the topic.

Just look at how far Dyflon has come before I first began aguing with him. Debating him has become increasingly difficult since I began this strategy, though I can still take him;). Unfortunately that strategy is not working with Typhoid... :(

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Well, we'll start with the west's support of Israel. The country in violation of the most UN sanctions, and the largest terrorist state in the entire world.

Oh wait, I'm sorry.

They're "Freedom Fighters."

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I can see where you're coming from Stonecutter, but I have to disagree for several reasons:

1) Who started the chain of violence? It wasn't Israel.

2) Israel targets their opponents, while the terrorists just attack civilians, dogs, children. It doesn't matter to them.

3) Palestine is a fictional state and there are no such thing as Palestinians. Look it up, its true.

4) Israel has made large land concessions in the past, which the "Palestinans" used to continue their terror attacks.

5) The "Palestinian" terrorists want the total destruction of Israel, not land concessions. This has been evident when cease fire after cease fire was broken by the terrorists that the PLO is either unable or unwilling (I'm betting the latter) to control. Do you think this is a realistic goal in ending the violence?

In the end peace lies in the hands of the "Palestinians". They have to make and KEEP an agreement if they want peace. Israel is not going anywhere and no one should expect it to, whether or not you agree or disagree with the circumstances surrounding Israel's creation. Once the terrorists come to realize this, then we may see an end to the violence.

Now I can see how Middle Easterners can dislike the West for their support of Israel, but I do not agree with you calling them terrorists. Israel does not qulaify on any level.

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I just want to say to the Strangler that i dont mind you, its the fact that you alway need to be right and get in the last word.

And i dont care if nobody has my back, maybe they dont want to, because you will reem them out for opposing your opinions, and "common sense". Like you, i stand by my opinions and remarks whether people agree with me or not, but i also admit when im wrong.

And The Game, that example was common sense...in no way would i hand the gun to the prisoner..because well if someones yelling at you that hes going to kill you...giving him a gun isnt all to smart. You cant just guess on what i would sa with a lame "example", and dont imply i would be so stupid either.(NHF)

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Palestinians just want their land back, it was theirs for about 1200 years and it's rightfully theirs now. Israel is a piss ant country without United States/Western military support. That alone would be enough to make me pissed at the United States if I were an Arab.

What happened to the Jews was awful, but it doesn't justify their land grab. I admit there's no easy answer to the solution, but the current one is dead wrong.

http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html