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Null 03-31-2005 11:14 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GameMaster
As an eager PSP buyer, I have a question:

Can the PSP read standard video formats like mpeg and avi?


heh. :p

right now for video files it reads mpeg 4's but theres tons of converters out and it doesnt take much time to convert a avi into a mp4. or any other format.

MuGen 03-31-2005 11:29 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Null if you can direct me to a converter that would be swell..... I've downloaded like 5 converters and they all sukk.

As for PSP sales... to be honest, I think it's going rather well considering it's not near any holidays where kids and teens can get the PSP free from their parents. I saw the Launch party at the Metreon and everyone there seemed to have their own jobs, and the crowd was obviously older. I think it's smart on Sony's part to target the older audience because then they can release a system without thinking about Holidays.

I know PS3 will be around holidays though... it has to.

Null 03-31-2005 11:54 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000980024404/

thats all the info i used, it tells you where to download stuff and how to covert different types of things like DVDs and such. everything i've done so far was in that page.

i hear this is a good guide too http://psp.connect.com/tutorial.html

And this( http://www.pspvideo9.com/ ) is the recent converting program i've heard a lot about, im going to try it but havnt yet so i dunno if its any good. it looks nice tho. i'll prolly try it this weekend.

MuGen 03-31-2005 12:03 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Thanks, the 3GP Converter works wonders.

+rep

KillerGremlin 03-31-2005 12:07 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GameMaster
Lucky for Nintendo, that the DS was just a small side project meant to entice Nintendo fans while their next Gameboy is being developed. The DS was never meant to directly compete with PSP. That job is reserved for the next Gameboy. And when it's finally released, there's a good chance that PSP could be pwned to the max with the force of a 1000 earthquakes.

Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

However, Grand Theft Auto on the go.....yummy.

MuGen 03-31-2005 12:34 PM

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i'm glad someone else realizes the repetition of nintendo's launch titles and release titles....

Dark Samurai 03-31-2005 12:45 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin
Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

However, Grand Theft Auto on the go.....yummy.

Wow just wow, such ignorancy...

Lame innovations? No, just no.

I cant even say anything to that... such stupidity...

Neo 03-31-2005 12:53 PM

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Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.

KillerGremlin 03-31-2005 12:53 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Samurai
Wow just wow, such ignorancy...

Lame innovations? No, just no.

I cant even say anything to that... such stupidity...

Call me what you want, but if you think that Nintendo's little third party support will stay behind the DS if a GBA2 comes out, then you are one of the many people that have fallen into Nintendo's vortex of money suckage. As I've said before, outside first party, the dual screens are going to be greatly underused. Furthermore, innovation comes with time, you can't just make innovation. However, seeing as how I own a DS, have played a PSP, and have witnessed Nintendo's tactics over the last 10 years, I am definately one ignorant mother f*cker. (So ignorant in fact, I'll be making my next handheld investment a PSP, which I know for a fact will have strong third party support, oppossed to Nintendo's *two* handhelds with scattered third party support).

Null 03-31-2005 01:28 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo
Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.


we're already singing that tune with just halo2. doesnt need to go up to halo9 for that. and i dont see the series going much past halo 4,

Dark Samurai 03-31-2005 01:45 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin
Call me what you want, but if you think that Nintendo's little third party support will stay behind the DS if a GBA2 comes out, then you are one of the many people that have fallen into Nintendo's vortex of money suckage. As I've said before, outside first party, the dual screens are going to be greatly underused. Furthermore, innovation comes with time, you can't just make innovation. However, seeing as how I own a DS, have played a PSP, and have witnessed Nintendo's tactics over the last 10 years, I am definately one ignorant mother f*cker. (So ignorant in fact, I'll be making my next handheld investment a PSP, which I know for a fact will have strong third party support, oppossed to Nintendo's *two* handhelds with scattered third party support).

And just what makes you think that the GBA2 is going to come this year? Let alone the next? One guy says something about a new gameboy coming this year, and everyone hates it. That "fact" has been proven false. And Nintendo's tactics? What about Sony? Just about everything on the PSP is expensive, the hardware, software, and some accesories. I didnt need to have SpiderMan 2, and all that other crap, for my PSP, and the games. The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it! You are one ignorant mofo...

And the predictability on Mario... I only see his platforming and kart racing games. Thats all, Mario only had, what? 13 plaformers or something? One on the Gamecube and one on the DS... how is that repetative?

KillerGremlin 03-31-2005 01:59 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Samurai
And just what makes you think that the GBA2 is going to come this year? Let alone the next? One guy says something about a new gameboy coming this year, and everyone hates it. That "fact" has been proven false. And Nintendo's tactics? What about Sony? Just about everything on the PSP is expensive, the hardware, software, and some accesories. I didnt need to have SpiderMan 2, and all that other crap, for my PSP, and the games. The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it! You are one ignorant mofo...

And the predictability on Mario... I only see his platforming and kart racing games. Thats all, Mario only had, what? 13 plaformers or something? One on the Gamecube and one on the DS... how is that repetative?

Look, this whole argument is founded on whether or not Nintendo is releasing a GBA2. If Nintendo goes through with their plans, then I will defend everything I have said in the past two posts. This is all hypothetical, however, don't be surprised to see a GBA2 on the horizon - especially if the PSP is more than a minor threat.

Regarding the PSP, of course it's going to be more expensive. The thing uses a much nicer screen and has a much powerfuller processor. You can blast its price all you want, but the thing is much more capable (minus the touch screen) then the DS is.

It's not just the predictability of Mario. Nintendo has a habit of reusing ideas and themes.

Look, don't get me wrong, I like my DS. I like it a lot. I think the hardware is great, and I really would like to see some cool games on it. I'm looking forward to what Nintendo has coming, but at the same time, I'm worried that if a GBA2 does come out, the DS will have been a bit of a wasted investment.

DarrenMcLeod 03-31-2005 02:07 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin
Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I think someone needs a hug.

Null 03-31-2005 02:09 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Samurai
The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it!

Which games are ports tho? a new game in the same series isnt a port. i mean aside from the sports games, im not really seeing any ports at all.

the only DIRECT port i've seen is mario 64, and im not saying thats a bad thing, each system will get thier own games. neither is a system thats just going to get ports. Infact sony has been pushing developers to make new games instead of porting them over to PSP, which one example of that is it was told to us by capcom that we would get Viewtiful Joe 2 on PSP. now its listed as a totally new game in the Viewtiful Joe series for PSP.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod
I think someone needs a hug.

i need a hug. :p of course some seem to need 2 or 3.

KillerGremlin 03-31-2005 02:10 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod
I think someone needs a hug.

Sorry, I don't want fanboy cooties.

Maybe from null or stonecutter, but not you.

MuGen 03-31-2005 02:13 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
That has been my point of debate ever since the rumors started.

Case in point.... no matter how many of you say you will stick with Nintendo til the fat lady sings, you know you will be pissed to see the DS lose all kinds of third party support when a GBA2 comes out. The DS would be a waste of money if GBA2 comes out, and everyone knows it.

Now.... I don't see ports as rehash's considering a lot of the games on the PSP may be ports but whole new games. Take Wipeout Pure.... totally new tracks, totally new burners, and totally new graphics. Untold Legends.... have never seen any previous UL's. THUG REMIX, it has new maps and new goals and a new soundtrack. DarkStalkers.... the only DarkStalkers I know on a Sony device within the U.S.

I wouldn't call Sony repetitive at all. The ports are ports for the portability system but they add a new infastructure to the game. If you look at the big picture...

We've seen a Mario insert number here for every Nintendo console.
We've seen a Mario Kart
We've seen a Mario Party
We've even seen a SSB...

This arguement has gotten tedious....

Dark Samurai 03-31-2005 02:24 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin
Regarding the PSP, of course it's going to be more expensive. The thing uses a much nicer screen and has a much powerfuller processor. You can blast its price all you want, but the thing is much more capable (minus the touch screen) then the DS is.

The PSP alone costs 180, and in order to get one I had to pay 250, now tell me who is the money grabber? Nintendo or Sony? Make me believe that its Nintendo... go for it. If Sony delivered a solo PSP system, then I wouldve gotten that, not because it was inexpensive, but because I really dont need most of the stuff that was included with the value pack.

Sony also has a predictability on games also, but most people dont notice it, with Nintendo its obvious. Nintendo only does "heros", while Sony does both "heros" and "villians". A good example is GTA. Since GTA3 its all been the same thing, kill people for fun, kill a hooker whydoncha! and the like. Nintendo doesnt do that, and thats just fine with me...

MuGen 03-31-2005 02:40 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Again, quit with the arguements about price. Dark Samurai, you just made one hell of a point that hurts your arguement. Just stop complaining about price, because it hurts your rebuttle more than his.

Trying to spew something out about who the money grabber is, is bullsh*t. Your forcing a comparison between a DS and the PSP Value Package, and it's not working. Of course you don't need the value pack, but it's there, and that's the end of that discussion. But stop complaining about the price, and calling Sony a money grabber.

If Sony is the money grabber, why would their more capable and more advanced PSP unit, sell @ $180? It's a pretty slim margin with the DS' selling price. The only thing that raises the price is the value pack, and that is called "Marketing."

The PSP is obviously a more capable machine, yet sold in Japan for just a bit more than the DS....... thats not money grabbing, I say thats a deal. Just because NA Marketing Managers sold Value packs here in NA, doesn't mean Sony didn't sell solo's.

Predictability with games? Heroes and Villains? That my friend, is called Versatility, and thats why Sony has so much support. Developers don't want to sit there all day developing hapless hero saves the day adventures. Developers wan't to have fun, and they want to be versatile with their games. So calling that predicability is highly unreasonable.

Now Dark Samurai.... you have no right to be complaining about price and complaining about needing what's in the value pack...ESPECIALLY after you've already purchased it.

It's like buying a bag of chips and complaining that theres too much in it. Complain about the price, and bash Sony for it......... but after you've bit the cookie and shelled out the cash for it????? No....

Null 03-31-2005 02:48 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Samurai
Sony also has a predictability on games also, but most people dont notice it, with Nintendo its obvious. Nintendo only does "heros", while Sony does both "heros" and "villians". A good example is GTA. Since GTA3 its all been the same thing, kill people for fun, kill a hooker whydoncha! and the like. Nintendo doesnt do that, and thats just fine with me...


talking about a first party game for sony like Gran Turismo woulda made your point a bit better. Rockstar makes GTA, and rockstar is not sony. Thats like complaing about all the mega man games they made and blaming Nintendo, it was capcom, not nintendo that did that.

Dark Samurai 03-31-2005 06:50 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Well I expained myself to Kyuzo, about what I said, though I still hold my beliefs, here is what I meant to say.

I'll be using Kyuzo's quote on this one,

What I was complaining about, was why Sony didnt make a solo version and the PSP, the value pack, wasnt valuable to me. Also what I didnt like was that in order for me to get the PSP I HAD to buy the value pack, THATS what I complaining about.

Heres the quote, about the chips...

Why would I buy chips for 75 cents when I can get the same satisfaction from 50 cent chips? Because theres more chips in the bag? No... I just want a taste of honey BBQ in my mouth, but that doesnt mean that I want an excruciating amount.

This is why I didnt like the value pack. I just wanted the PSP with the necessities, not accesories. That was it...

Teuthida 03-31-2005 07:22 PM

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I don't see Nintendo releasing GBA2 or even officially announcing it until the DS loses major support by both developers and consumers. Then they'll probably release it as a handheld superior to PSP. Instead of dropping DS support they'll most likely market it more as a PDA device than a gaming handheld...and release an 'SP' version of it that resembles such.

Perfect Stu 03-31-2005 07:46 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Samurai
Well I expained myself to Kyuzo, about what I said, though I still hold my beliefs, here is what I meant to say.

I'll be using Kyuzo's quote on this one,

What I was complaining about, was why Sony didnt make a solo version and the PSP, the value pack, wasnt valuable to me. Also what I didnt like was that in order for me to get the PSP I HAD to buy the value pack, THATS what I complaining about.

Heres the quote, about the chips...

Why would I buy chips for 75 cents when I can get the same satisfaction from 50 cent chips? Because theres more chips in the bag? No... I just want a taste of honey BBQ in my mouth, but that doesnt mean that I want an excruciating amount.

This is why I didnt like the value pack. I just wanted the PSP with the necessities, not accesories. That was it...


Jesus Christ...a product is either worth your money, or not worth your money

DONT buy it now, and wait for a price drop or for them to sell the PSP alone with no accessories.

It's that simple...

Stray_Bullet 03-31-2005 08:43 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo
Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.

Sequals are fine... but I don't ever want to see Master Chief Tennis, Halo Vehicle Races, and Master Chief Golf. Also, some high numbers can be ridiculous... like the Final Fantasies (though they only use the name, many gameplay aspects are different and the stories/characters are unique) and Dragon Warrior.

I didn't want to see DOA Volleyball either. But, it's alright because there isn't a DOA Karaoke or DOA Olympics yet.


Nintendo isn't just releasing sequals... they're copy/pasting old characters in a large percentage of their games... whatever kind of game they may be.

MuGen 03-31-2005 09:32 PM

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Well said...

I don't want to go around seeing party games with my favorite characters in it, especially if they are doing it over and over.

Can anyone imagine Cloud playing Tennis?

Canyarion 04-01-2005 01:55 AM

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Well, if Typhus played the waterball game, why not let Cloud play tennis? :unsure:

You're all acting like the Mario Tennis, Golf, Kart... are rediculous, but they're great. Wouldn't have been the same without Mario.

See Mario as Mickey Mouse, it doesn't matter where they star in, it's just a character.

MuGen 04-01-2005 02:10 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Blitz ball is a mini game inside the game, it's not a seperate game.

And........ no..... Mickey Mouse has disappeared, you basically see him in old cartoons, or in Disney World. Disney cartoons these days are new and versatile, and do not contain old characters.

Nintendo fears change, when it comes to games. They see SHADOW the Hedgehog and don't want to venture into that territory. So they keep Maio in almost everything they do. It's almost as if they are overdoing the whole mascot thing.

I can compare Nintendo to Nickelback.... cookie cutter...

I have respect for Nintendo, but like Nickelback, they choose a sound that works and stick with it for a long time. (How You Remind Me and Someday... same song maybe?)

Stray_Bullet 04-01-2005 05:30 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Canyarion
You're all acting like the Mario Tennis, Golf, Kart... are rediculous, but they're great. Wouldn't have been the same without Mario.

I didn't touch Mario tennis simply because it's "Mario" tennis. Yes, it's biased, but it lost a sale, right? I'm sure the game mechanics are good. Mario Party games are fun. But, I don't play Mario for the mario characters, I play for the gameplay. Nintendo has plenty of good games, there are too many collaboration games, though. Too many familiar names.

Sequels are good, especially if the series is good (obviously).

I dunno, maybe I'm not being fair in that I haven't tried and tested every Mario game (that includes the wario stuff, luigi stuff. anything based on mario). And, they do produce some pretty good games. But the lack of character variety makes me turn my head before I can enjoy some pretty good gameplay.

Collaborations and sequels are great, but only in moderation. SSB was good. SSB(XX) will be redundant. Marvel vs Capcom was spectacular... MvC2 was somehow better (more characters). But, MvC was something original. There weren't too many games that had Marvel characters as fighters.


But, to reanswer your question... I do think it's ridiculous. Waluigi, Daisy, Toadette... it really reaches a line of acceptance, y'know? And it definately didn't notice that line when it passed it.

DarrenMcLeod 04-02-2005 05:02 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuzo
i'm glad someone else realizes the repetition of nintendo's launch titles and release titles....

Wipeout.
Twisted Metal.
Metal Gear Solid.
Ape Escape.
Tony Hawk Underground.
Ridge Racer.
Dynasty Warriors.

The same could be said with PSP. Every system tries to put out big name franchises that their customers are familiar with so that the systems and games sell.

Canyarion 04-03-2005 04:47 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
I agree with Waluigi, Toadette etc.... :(

But Daisy has been around since... 1990? Super Mario Land for the GameBoy. :p

Perfect Stu 04-03-2005 05:02 PM

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haha...Waluigi is a tool


bobcat 04-03-2005 07:36 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
haha...Waluigi is a tool


No he's not!

You're just jealous of.................him :unsure:

Dark Samurai 04-04-2005 12:18 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
haha...Waluigi is a tool


Like this kind of tool?



lol :rofl:

Perfect Stu 04-04-2005 12:27 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
yes

Teuthida 04-04-2005 01:59 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
I could see Waluigi going the Shadow route and getting his own game. Being evil and goofy I would love to see the kind of adventures he could get himself into. He's such a reject of a character that he's bound to be a success.

MuGen 04-04-2005 11:14 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod
Wipeout.
Twisted Metal.
Metal Gear Solid.
Ape Escape.
Tony Hawk Underground.
Ridge Racer.
Dynasty Warriors.

The same could be said with PSP. Every system tries to put out big name franchises that their customers are familiar with so that the systems and games sell.

Your misunderstanding the point of my statement.

It's not the repetition in games itself, it's the repetition of characters in games.

They re-use Mario characters for almost every game that has come out for DS and GCN... thats my arguement...Of course every console will have sequels to their popular franchises... but you only see Mario everywhere on GCN

Master Chief has yet to see a Tennis game...
And Jak & Daxter have not thrown a party yet.

Blackmane 04-04-2005 11:18 AM

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Crash Bandicoot kart racing?

MuGen 04-04-2005 11:23 AM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Was there ever a game?

Null 04-04-2005 12:22 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuzo
but you only see Mario everywhere on GCN


not taking sides on this argument, but perhaps the weirdest example of all....

Mario and company in EA's NBA Street v3.





MuGen 04-04-2005 12:24 PM

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omg i have never seen that........... thats almost a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Canyarion 04-04-2005 12:30 PM

Re: To those with both a DS and PSP...
 
I bet a SSB clone with Sonic and other characters would sell pretty well, IF the play mechanics are good.

Cause don't forget, the Mario games ARE GOOD GAMES. And people enjoy them.

You act like all Nintendo has is Mario, but look at the top20 GCN games, I don't think 20% is Mario related.


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