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!retract Dylflon

!vote BreakaBone

The right way to go, I think this is.

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this thing is getting pretty confusing...

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I understand why Jeepnut doesn't trust me, but I don't get the rest of you.

Anyhow here's the story with Jeepnut as far as I could figure, I was speaking with him during round 1 because you always want to make friends or whatever. And I suggested it would make sense to vote for dylflon because the move was so out of the blue, he had to be messing with us.

But by the time I cast my vote, there was already a 3-4 vote island between manasecret and Dylflon. So I figured it made no sense to fight the tide.

And I can see how Jeepnut would feel wishy washy about that, my thing is
1) http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...3&postcount=84
The vote switch was made at the VERY last minute, and I don't see why it was needed as it wouldn't swing the victory one way or another.

And when I asked him about it, he got defensive and has yet to answer me.

Day 2:
http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...1&postcount=57
He was right about Combine, but the fact that he didn't feel there was some coordinated attack, probably even including some Mafia baffles me when Ric/Combine ended up with the same number of votes.

Day 3:
http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...7&postcount=31
And now the current day, which he votes for me because I am leading the votes even though I have yet to vote for anyone.
And actually won't vote for Dylflon unless it comes down to me and him, for the simple fact that I believe he is the Seer, and I have a 3rd party who agrees with us. He has promised us results that I hope bear fruit tomorrow.
And for someone who blames other for leading votes, I would like to point out that pretty much every vote has followed his lead since posting this.

My thoughts, I feel that Jeepnut screwed up round 1 with me, and is just looking for a way to amend his damage before I can get any associates for a rallying vote.

That's my case anyhow.

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For the BaB vote, I need to see some evidence or reasoning before casting my vote for him right now. True, I voted for him last round, but as I read the posts this round, I'm finding the sudden collective movement to eliminate BaB very suspicious (especially due to the lack of actual reasoning).

Originally, I was going to vote for Angrist since he seems so convinced that Dylflon should be killed off this round (and I'm almost sure if we vote him, we're going to kick ourselves in the ass).

But then I saw jeepnut starting the BaB movement:

Your theory sounds convincing, but nothing has led me to believe that BaB is evil. Not even Ric's rallying last round. I declare that BaB defends himself here and now before we go ahead and lose another valuable member to the mafia.

But before I end this post, I'm going to cast the vote for "the one leading this voting effort:"

!vote jeepnut

EDIT: BaB just posted his defense.. reading it now
EDIT 2: My vote stays.. for now.

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I'm also going to hold off on the Dylflon train. If we're going to burn for trusting him, we may as well go all the way. At least until trust can be established.

!retract Dylflon

I have to review all of the posts and I will vote again once I'm sure I haven't missed anything obvious.

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We have an interesting scenario here. I agree that it is suspicious that Jeepnut suddenly decided to attack BaB.

Here's what I'm wondering:

If Jeepnut is in the Mafia, then he would know if Dylflon is or is not. If Dylflon is not in the Mafia, why would he risk himself to go after BaB? He wouldn't, he would let this round be an easy out for the mafia to get someone that everyone already suspects.

If Dylflon is in the Mafia, and Jeepnut is as well, then it makes sense to at least try to save him.

On the other hand, Jeepnut could not be in the mafia, and he just believes in Dylflon. However, his reasoning was a little weird, especially BaB didn't really start the movement to oust Dylflon, so it seems like he is reaching for a reason to go after BaB, and is basing his choice because Ric may have garnered suspicion for him already.

So all in all, I think Dyl and Jeepnut look the most suspicious here. We should probably vote one out, but I would encourage the vigilante to NOT kill the other one. This way if we end up being wrong about one, we probably won't be wrong about both. If we are right about Dylflon though, then it may be safe to vote Jeepnut off, since it would be pretty obvious that he was trying to save him this round. But, if we are wrong about Dylflon, then it will be obvious that Jeepnut is -not- in the Mafia, since he was trying to save him.

And even if Dylflon really is the seer, that is a useless power since it requires us to trust him, which we obviously don't.

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Dy, you should reveal who you seered. Then we know at least a few people who are definetley good if you die and are innocent, so we know we can trust the names.

I mean, the mafia know who are innocent anyway. The only peice of information the don't know is the vigilante. (Or if you are mafia we have another seer somewhere.)

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I was waiting for this. I knew it was coming as soon as you PMed me to question my vote change. I made my change after I saw that you wound up voting Mana even though you said you didn't want to. I was just trying to save face. I felt that was pretty obvious.

You see, this is what BreakaBone does. Don't be fooled by the fact that he hasn't voted yet. He is in fact leading the vote or at least attempting to. He holds his own vote close until he feels he's convinced enough people to make it safe for him to commit to a vote. I know. He did this to me and he did it to Ric.

You see, I was in contact with him during the first round. He wanted me to change my vote to Dylflon because he felt that voting for Mana was a waste. I agreed with this assessment, but I was worried about painting a target on my back that early by voting for the supposed seer. I asked him if he could rally enough support to sway the vote and he said he would see what he could do. As a show of faith and to get the ball rolling, I changed my vote to Dylflon. I return near the end of the round to find that he had never put in a vote for Dylflon himself. He was playing his waiting game and when it became obvious to him that he wasn't going to be able to swing the vote this early, he grew cowardly and put in with the rest of the crowd and left Ric and I out to dry.

BreakaBone is playing people. And I'm willing to bet that he's doing it from the wrong side.

For those who are unsure, you have solid evidence that I'm on the good side. You can't say the same for BaBs.

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You do? I've reviewed all of the posts and I really didn't see anything substantial one way or another. All of this finger pointing is getting a little bit old from both sides.

What I do know is that one way or another this is going to get sorted out and for now...

!vote Jeepnut

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What solid evidence do we have that you are on the good side?

You voted Mana/Dylflon on Day 1... on my behest perharps, but either one was a safe bet.

Day 2, you voted Combine not because you felt he was guilty but because in your own words Ric had contacted you and Combine hadn't.

You are currently leading a charge against me, point to a period of time where you have done some nobel deed that proves your ultimate goodness?

As for my behavior, I've been at GT long enough for people to know I'm 2 things
1)Manipulative
2)Power hungry

Yeah in one Mafia I had Angrist killed so I could absorb his power.
In the last Mafia, I used some underhanded tactics to weed out the Mafia.

I'm not ashamed of what I do, its what needs to be done.

You start the game trusting only yourself, you use any and all means to weed out those who you think may act suspicious.

As of right now there are 3 people I truly trust in this game, Dylflon, the person he seered and someone else who I won't name drop to protect.

I thought Ric was guilty for his flip flopping vote.
I feel you are guility because of this one man agenda you have against me.
You keep mentioning some shadow organization, but its becoming clear that you have formed your own alliances.

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After considering both sides, I'm stumped. Neither side has proven itself innocent. I need to hold back for now.

!retract jeepnut

Something is off, and I'm sure either you or BaB belongs to the mafia.

Not to steal the thunder from the two opposing forces at the moment, but I have a natural tendency to distrust the quiet ones in this game. You know who you are.

I'll be casting my vote later.

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Hmm.. This is getting confusing. I'm getting suspicious of Jeepnut as well, but don't really want to help vote him out now. I'm going to waste my vote.

!retract BaB

!vote Swan because nobody else is probably going to vote for him. If more votes for Swan are given, I'll retract and vote somebody else with no votes.

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Ok I cycled to a university building to change my vote. I'm convinced that it makes no sense to kill off Dylflon at this point.

I also did some reading in day 1 and 2.

Day 2: Combine randomly votes for Nighthawk. Changes his vote later to Fyacin. Both could be decoys though.
People to vote for Combine: Bube, Darmani, Germy, Fyacin, Jeepnut. Jeepnut's voice was pretty decisive.

Day 1: Combine votes for Dylflon.
People who vote for Combine: TML.

I could go into further detail by closely looking at who voted for the guys that were executed by the mafia, but I don't have the time for that. And to be honest, I don't care that much.

There's just one guy who's been making very suspicious posts. Look them up and decide if you agree. I'm going home now.

!Retract Dylflon
!Vote BlueFire

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I would just like to point out once more as I went through the front page that unless I misread something I wrote that I never mentioned one way or another where I was leaning in my vote.

And to save time since we all know where I am going today.

!vote Jeepnut

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Wow suddenly everyone turned against Bab... Now it's a Bab vs. jeepnut thing huh?

I don't know why jeepnut and the others decided to against Bab, obviously there are PMs and I'm out of the loop... anyway I'll just wait a little more for my vote.

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Anyone care to do a vote count?

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I'll go with Jeepnut. If he turns out to be Mafia, we can probably assume Dylflon is too.

If he turns out to be a villager, we can probably assume BaB is a mafia.

We have Mafia outnumbered, it won't hurt to trade them out a little.

!retract Dylflon

!vote Jeepnut

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Too lazy to double check so if anyone wants to find out

Jeepnut- 3
BaB- 3
Dylflon- 1
Swan- 1
Bluefire- 1

LEaving 5 votes to go?

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I'm very conflicted. I told BAB in the beginning I wasn't going to vote for him unless I had solid evidence he was a baddie. Whereas jeepnut was high on my list of probable goodies for putting the final nail in Combine's coffin. Ric and Combine were tied when he voted. If he was part of the mafia it wouldn't make sense to sacrifice another baddie to save a goodie.

Just going to randomly vote for one of the six people I have listed as unknowns who have yet to get any votes, just so I get a vote in: !vote thatmariolover

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Hmm, I didn't realize he voted for Combine.

!retract Jeepnut

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Look at the way the votes went down in Day 2. Without my vote, Combine likely survives. There is no logical reason for a mafia member to make the deciding kill vote for another mafia member.

Yes I did tell you that I didn't have a good reason for voting for Combine at the time. What does it matter? Combine turned out to be mafia so my vote was justified regardless of it's motivations. My method may not have been ideal, but you can't argue with the results.

Unless you're mafia of course...

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Slightly off-topic but I'm watching A New Hope in 1080p for the first time right now, so awesome.

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Sorry about missing the last round.

I shall try to be around for this full one.



!vote BaB

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it's getting late and I have to sleep... so without thinking much on it

!vote jeepnut

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Friend sent me this, figured would share.

IS embedding turned off in this forum?

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After reading through the last few threads and actually thinking about it

!retract BaB

That was just so I could have a vote and not be kicked out. I don't think Dylflon is mafia. Seeing as how it doesn't look the vote will go his way today he will probably be killed by them now.


As for Jeepnut, he is fishy. He changed his vote in the last round half an hour before the end of the last round. The votes between Combine and Ric were tied so this one sent him over the top. It was a smart move to make him look innocent and help build up alliances with the truly good people. Maybe even getting the Vigilante to reveal himself.

Not worded very well but makes sense in my head.

!Vote Jeepnut

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Standings:

Jeepnut - 4
BreakABone - 3
Dylflon - 1
Swan - 1
BlueFire - 1
thatmariolover - 1

Two players have yet to vote. Polls close in about 2.5 hours.

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I know Dylflon hasn't vote.
Who's the other person that hasn't cast a vote?

!Edit~
Okay so it seems only Dylflon needs to vote.
Bluefire/Vamp have retracted votes, but haven't re-voted.

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That puts the vote count at:
Jeepnut- 4
BaB- 3
Dylflon- 1
Swan- 1
Bluefire- 1
thatmariolover-1

I'm still refraining from voting now, mostly because this round has turned into a face off between jeepnut and BaB.

Angrist, I'm not sure why you've chosen to vote for me. I'd like to hear your reasoning. If you are pointing towards my indecisiveness, I'll acknowledge that. I just like being careful with my vote.

However, I find you to be suspicious. As I look at the voting record: we both voted for manasecret (since he opted to be killed anyway) in the first round, but in the second round, you voted for ric (along with a tiny mob) and you cast a vote for dylflon before setting your attention to me. Maybe I'm foolishly trusting dylflon, but I was sure that Ric was not mafia and I'm almost sure dylflon is not mafia. Based on your voting record, doesn't that make you look suspicious? :ohreilly:

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Seeing as how Jeepnut helped kill combine, I'm going to have to vote for the only other person who stands a chance of getting killed,

!vote BaB

I still say we kill Dylflon though, if people will go that way. I think killing him would reveal the most information about Jeepnut and Break-a-Bone.

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Current vote tally:

BreakaBone: 4
jeepnut: 4
Dylflon: 1
Swan: 1
BlueFire: 1
ThatMarioLover: 1

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Alright, so just in case I don't survive this round, I'm letting everyone know my suspicions.

Swan - Went out of his way to concoct a theory where me voting off Combine makes sense.

BaBs - Obviously

BlueFire - Voted for BaBs last round when he claimed to be siding with Ric and now seems to be reluctant choose.

tornadothrasher - Has been keeping a low profile. What little he has contributed has been presented without much explanation.

Nighthawk - To a much lesser degree. I'm not sure if he's hiding behind his inability to contribute more, but obviously, I feel he's reached the wrong conclusion.

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I feel very indifferent to who dies, as long as it's BaB, Dyl, or Jeepnut. I think any one of these would narrow down who to kill next time considerably.

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It would be nice if more people gave reasons for voting the way they do. Dylflon, you voted for Ric much the same way last round and he was a goodie who ended up dead....by the vigilante yes, but you tied the vote once again after jeepnut pushed it over to Combine.

And Nighthawk...well, he's tired. I dunno. Just bothers me some when people vote for those that are close in vote number without giving a reason why.

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Late vote Dylflon. Obviously though, my faith in you was misplaced. Not sure why you decide to try to kill me after I save your life.

EDIT: Whoops. Didn't realize this round is ending an hour later. Care to explain your vote Dylflon?

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When did you "save" his life exactly? :confused:

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Just so I don't look like an @$$ if jeepnut turns out to be a baddie...the only way I can figure him to be part of the mafia is if they all planned for Combine to sacrifice himself to lower the suspicions of those who voted for him after it's revealed he was a baddie...which would then mean that most of those who voted for him last round are baddies. But I feel this is highly unlikely though being as risky a move as it is.

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Really Dylf, why vote for Jeepnut? Unless you have some seer infor we don't?

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This round. I convinced people that he should stay one more round when the mob vote was going after him.