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An interesting letter from someone that I found on that website:

EDIT: I guess I should give the context. This was a apparently an email sent to the artist at the website for moral support. Fairey, the artist, did an Obama image for a Rolling Stone cover and got tons of admittedly typical (for the internet) hate responses, along the lines of he and Obama are socialist/Nazi/the Antichrist and he must have sucked Obama's cock, etc., which made Fairey a sad bear. He posted about 20 of said hate comments, and then I suppose got that letter (above) as moral support, and then posted it as well below the hate comments. So it's more a respone to the hateful wing-nuts than the legitimate arguments against a public healthcare option.

I'm trying to retrace my steps but for some reason I don't remember how I got to that page. It appeared to be his blog.

EDIT2: Oh, duh, it's right there at the bottom of his main page.

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Speaking of propaganda...

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Mana, the author forgot to mention the crippling socialized debt...

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I just think associating Obama with Socialism is almost as inaccurate as associating The Joker with it.

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Maybe, we are reading the poster backwards.

And its actually the Joker dressed up as Obama... saying that Joker is the Hope Gotham needs.

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Win. Thread over.

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This assertion intrigues me, since I think it's pretty clear that Pres. Obama has shown to lean more towards socialist/fascist solutions to problems and not capitalist. Once again, thats not to say he's a socialist or a fascist, but when problems arise he seems to default to government control rather than economic freedom, and that tendency certainly doesn't fall into the realm of capitalism. Also, I think we can at least make more of a connection between Obama and socialism than Obama and anarchism if we were forced to make the association (I can't think of one policy that you could remotely compare to anarchy).

To Everyone:

Looking at the definitions of the following "isms", which do you think President Obama's economic policies resemble most considering his administration's reaction to the recession, the investment banks and car industry in particular? He must have more in common with one area than the others, in your opinion. I'd encourage you to keep to the economic portions of the debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Also, there is no pejorative associated with any of these answers. I'd prefer to have clarity in this case than agreement.

EDIT: If I missed any "isms" please feel free to post them.

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Prof I'm curious. What's your opinion of Bush and Clinton? What has Barrack Obama pushed for that neither of them would have?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronyism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

Not exactly primary "isms," but important none-the-less.

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Please don't change the subject. I've asked a fair question and I'd like you to answer it. If you like, we can address your topic after mine is addressed.

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Well, my answer that we've been dealing with both conservative socialists, and liberal socialists. They go about things different ways, but in the end everyone is pushing us towards socialism. Which is why I posed the question.

However, that's just my opinion, I'm curious what yours is.

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I think to a degree you could argue that it has racist undertones. That question popped into my head while seeing the trailer. The thing is I don't think the movie is racist (although I haven't seen it), nor do I think the preview is racist. That is to say, I think what makes it racist is mostly up to interpretation. It's a kids movie so whatever. Disney has done worse.

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Well, while Bush did push the spending up a good bit, I don't think the nature of his spending ever went in the direction of owning portions of private companies, unlawfully terminating contracts to stakeholders or worse yet, "firing" the CEO's of privately held companies. I think we can confiendently say Bush would never have made those decisions, whether or not you view them as the appropriate actions. It just so happens those actions bounce between being socialist and fascist, and in ways that have never been done before, or not since FDR.

In other social spending, Bush funded a LOT of private charity with public funds, including religious groups. Pres. Obama seems to want to put those funds towards public groups instead, like AmeriCorps.

As for healthcare, Bush pushed for mainly private plans such as health savings accounts instead of a universal public option. In social security, Bush also pushed for privatization as opposed to socialization. This was probably his greatest failure as a president (domestically, not changing tactics in Iraq was his greatest overall failure).

When it comes to the economy, Bush was hands-off, and I think he viewed it as being it's own boom to self-correcting bust animal.

As for Clinton, he too failed to install a universal public option, but when it comes to free trade and the economy, he was pretty hands off as well with Alan Greenspan having more say than he did, IMO. Clinton is a tough comparison, though, because so much of his presidency was without severe issues like Bush and Obama has experienced. It's difficult top say what he would have done in Obama's place.

IMO, the only person to compare President Obama to is really FDR in terms of policy... maybe LBJ or Carter, but even Carter never thought to intervene in the direct running of private industry.

But history is history, and this topic is about Pres. Obama's current policies, and their nature, not an attempt to cast blame or view that nature in a negative light or to change the subject to the policies of someone else.

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The poster isn't racist. I perceived it as clearly pointing out the big fucking joke.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14826

I wouldn't compare Obama to Hitler beyond the type of crowd atmosphere he draws. Little freaky imo.

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Well then it's a good thing no one did.

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This is just plain messed up.

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I was just thinking about what TheGame said concerning media talking their bullshit, not about what anyone said specifically in this thread about an actual comparison. just to clarify.

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First: Barney Frank is the man

Second: Are these town hall meetings making anyone else worried about America? I mean, I appreciate free speech, but can't we do it without going fucking insane? That woman in the second video...there are just no words for the ignorance and hatred. Shame on you is right, yeesh.

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I couldn't find the actual news clip, but here's one from a left wing radio show.



Don't mind the comentary too much.. even though I agree with what he is saying.

(There's also another story where a guy brought a AK-47 to a town hall meeting.)

This is in part why I don't agree with all of this imagry that's being shown on TV and people trying to act like Obama's some evil dictator or something even when he hasn't done much of anything yet that the majority american people don't agree with.

I think eventually someone is going to do something very stupid, and it's going to cause more freedoms to be taken away in the long run.

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I didnt watch the whole thing so i dont know if it was mentioned, but there were also 2 men with AR-15s too.

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People like that are hilarious because they can't see how ridiculously stupid they are.

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Well, I think to some degree the "out of control" town halls are being greatly exaggerated by the sensationalist media. Also, one has to assume the majority of these town halls are being held during the day. Who is available during the day? The elderly and unemployed. Passion is overwhelming rationality.

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I don't know Bond.. what exactly has to happen before it's not seen as an exaggeration? Do the people with assault rifles need to let some rounds loose?

I'll admit that the responce by Barney Frank sounded a little set up.. But it doesn't change that these extremely ignorant people are showing up with those offensive posters, asking stupid questions, and trying to drown out opposing views.

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1) The gun thing, while a concern and should be monitored, it severely overblown. The story about the guy with the gun was journalism at it's worst. If he had it hidden under a coat and was trying to sneak in to the meeting, then it should have been given the attention TYT gave it, but then again, it's TYT. Did anyone ask why he decided to wear his licensed gun? My guess is that he was making a non-verbal statement about 2nd amendment rights because of Presdient Obama' background in Illinois when ti comes to gun rights, not intending on threatening President Obama's life. If anything, it's likely a cultural misunderstanding.

2) Yes, there are nutjobs at these meetings, but have you ever been to or seen a leftist protest where they literaly have assaulted the vehicles that President Bush and his entourage rode in or burned his image in effigy? Lets not pretend this is solely a problem on the right. At least so far these protesters have only expressed themselves verbally. I mainly chalk it up to poorly thought out expressions of discontent, but anti-semites and the like and not reflective of the majority of these people, IMO

3) Working from home several days a week, I've seen many of the town halls broadcast live and like Bond stated, the media is playing up the most irate people because its more entertaining. There are a lot of very good questions that are not being answered honestly in the process, and that is only adding to the catcalls and outrage.

4) Speaking of dismising dissent and drowning out opposing views, the democrats aren't doing themelves a favor by accusing THEIR dissenters of not having their own opinions and dismissing them as "astroturf" and only speaking because their Republican masters told them to. If I were them, I'd feel ignored, disenfranchied and angry too. The problem is that anger is not productive.

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I can't see photo-bucket at work, but seeing the URL (socialist spiderman) I imagine is hilarious :lol:

People are weird.

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I don't know prof, when you consider the sign the guy was holding along with having his gun, it seemed like an obvious threat or attempt at intimidation.

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Oops, somehow I didn't catch the sign (in hindsight I'm not sure how, I might have only been listening to the video and not watching it), only the gun. You're right, he's a nutter, even if he means it just to put a point across. I hope the FBI is looking into him, quite honestly.

I retract point one.

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Evidently the original artist of that Obama poster goes to UIC. Apparently the picture was stolen and "socialism" was added to it. There was an psuedo-interview with the artist, and I think (I skimmed...will get back later) the intentions where not racist or to suggest Obama is socialist.

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http://media.www.chicagoflame.com/me...-3755924.shtml

They don't really address his intentions for making the original picture...I still don't see the Joker/Socialist connection. I think this whole thing has been blown....err...overboard.