That would probably be bad for some 3rd parties. Now they have like 7 NFL games to compete with, yet when you have 3 console some say on that console only, so no worry.

I love competition.

(Imagine if GBA had competition, the handheld gaming buisness would be twice as good and probably twice as "Advanced")

I just don't like the three way competition. I consider Nintendo more of a developer than a console maker... that's why I'd rather see them join up with MS or Sony.

Plus I hate how ignorant they are when making consoles. I mean, if GCN would have had a decent sized memory card that could have solved half the issues I had with the system. Nintendo is also completly ignoring DVD playback and Online Gaming because "It's not profitable yet"

wtf?

I know every DC owner who played a lot of online games, and every Ps2/Xbox gamer to touch an online game probably can't imagine buying ONLY a console that doesn't feature any type of online play. It's profitable, trust me.

They just want to sit back and wait while the competitors test the waters with newer features. "Ooh... people want carts, not CDs, cause of the loading times"

Then there was the "GCN loads faster than N64" thing. Complete BS.

There is also the instance where they sell thier highest quality 2nd party.... why? To get a few bucks in thier pockets. 10 years down the line will Nintendo look back on that as one of the smartest moves the ever made? Doubtful.

Damn, I didn't relize I could bitch this much about Nintendo this gen. :p

Next generation they better do EVERYTHING right, or I'm not buying. I mean, as if losing Perfect Dark, The No Mercy wrestling engine, and the "Dark" Zelda wasn't enough. I could care less about Nintendo's 1st/2nd parties now.... my respect for them is fading. When they start worrying about Game quality instead of how much they will profit, I will go back to thier side... and I don't think that will ever happen unless they turn into a 2nd party.

pc's outsell macs by a landslide, macs aren't leaving. they are still being made. WHy? cause they ahve a loyal following, so does nintendo. they aren't going anywhere, nintendo is still making millions of dollars, just not as many millions as sony. (but sony is losing a bunch in their movie and other electronic business he he )

I'm not denying that they are making money... read the below quote:

"When they start worrying about Game quality instead of how much they will profit, I will go back to thier side... "

Yes, Nintendo is making millions... but off of what?

1) Selling Rare aka selling game quality?
2) Having super low memory cards[/b] at an extreme rip-off price? Memory card 59, 500kb, $15... Ps2's memory card, 8000kb $30... 16x the memory for 2x the price, and yes Sony profits a lot off of thier memory cards. The funny part is, it hurts the game quality of 90% of (simulation) sports games on the Cube.
3) Taking the smallest loss on every system made instead of just simply lowering the price?
4) Making crap games and tossing Nintendo licenced charicters on it just so it will sell?

These are just a few examples. Before Rare was sold and before I know THQ would stop making wrestling games with the Aki engine, and before Zelda got the makeover... buying into GCN's craptacular hardware was worth it.

I used to not need sports games to buy a Nintendo system because I was guaranteed greatness out of the first and second parties. Is that still the case? NO. Nintendo hasn't done anything great with GCN yet if you ask me.

Thank god I didn't just own a cube, I would have went insane.

It is fall 2002, aka the year hyped up to be "owned" by Nintendo... and with the exception of AC there isn't a game I have wanted that was released in September, October, November, or December that I couldn't get a better version of on Ps2.

Why is this? Because Nintendo is in it for the money. Not to say nobody else wants money... but they are putting more forward in thier hardware than Nintendo. What was Nintendo's last big developer purchase? M$ flopped out $$$ for Rare... and Sony flops out $$$ to keep the GTA series exclusive. What does Nintendo do? Look for the cheapest little nobody developer they can find and try to make them great by giving them a Nintendo licence.

Even Hal Labs... take away Nintendo franchises and what are they? SSB would be a joke without Mario and Link jumping around.

Nintendo is a great developer, they are just trying too hard for that little profit. They turn thier back on my as a sport gamer just to make an extra $10 per memory card sold, I'll just turn my back on them.

Nice posts, BJW.

I would give you some dblns, but you cannot take them, and I cannot give them. ;)


And another thing, does Nintendo lose money on their GCNs?

Yes... Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all lose money on making their systems. Microsoft losing the most, then Sony, then Nintendo I believe, they make the money back (or hope to) on games and accessories.

Well then, if Nintendo lowered their price of the system in the new year, just in time for Zelda, would they be losing money, gaining money, or break even? I mean, Zelda will sell many-a-copies.... So I think that they can afford a price cut, that is if the competition does it first, because I cannot see Nintendo beginning that.


And... This was definately not the year of Nintendo, IMO. They say that they have the "Nintendo Difference", but hell, I think that the PS2 has a better line up than the GCN for the past summer and the fall. I am getting my share of amazing, exclusive games from the PS2 (SOCOM, GTA:VC, Ratchet and Clank), and quite frankly, I do not think that Nintendo is delivering in the way that they should (in regards to exclusive 3rd party games, and 1st party games).

I think Nintendo is turning a profit now, though with the price lowered that may have changed. Im willing to bet they are, with all the developer fees, and game sales.

I think MS predicted sales to turn late next year, though that was also before the bundle...long before it. Analyst said MS would take 3 years or something.

Now... with the purchase of Rare and all... MS might not even turn a profit this generation at all!

The old prediction, before the launch, the purchase of Rare, and the creation of Xbox Live, was that it would take 4 years... now that seems near impossible.

They are just paying the price to get thier foot into the industry's door.

I agree with you on the fact that Nintendo may be turning a profit right now. What have they really spent $$$ on? They sold Rare, cancelled SW... and I haven't seen some huge blockbuster promotion. (I guess Cube clubs can count... but as long as it doesn't touch my home town I can't see it costing that much)

Yes true, I forgot out MS's latest purchases, and investments.

Its hard to tell if they will turn a profit on xbox. And they will likely try to beat Sony out the door with their next console, before XBox has a chance.

Oh, and I doubt Nintendo would even think of Bakersfield as a plausable location. ;)

Actually they predicted to turn a profit more like in 2005. It's pretty hard to predict things like that though, they could make a profit before or after 2005.

1 1/2 year ago, we were so happy that M$ didn't buy Nintendo. Now, do you think that would have been a good choice? Should Nintendo have joined with M$??

they beat there meat ;)

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Is that really you? :hmm:

lol... back then I was the only one who wanted Nintendo to be bought out. My opinion hasn't changed on that.

Put every GCN exclusive game on Xbox.... or every Xbox exclusive game on GCN... Then take into account that Nintendo wouldn't have to worry about spending money on hardware, and the fact that they could concentrate on 100% games. Toss on M$'s ad campaing and bottomless pocket. Take one competitor off the shelves...

Then we can start to imagine what good things a Nintendo buyout could have meant.

We might have had a system capible of competing with Sony!

Oh well though... according to Nintendo "we didn't even need the money they offerd"

But in the end, the payoff probably would have been somthing light years ahead of what M$ offerd.

WTF. MS wanted to buy Nintendo? Where the hell was I when this happened?

It happend before people even Considerd Xbox a realistic competitor on the industry.

In "Nintendo Dolphin"'s early days...

There were MAJOR rumors going around about a buy-out too! Of course, it was blown off by most Nintendo fans kinda like the Rare rumors.

Then the rumors dissappeard... then Microsoft came out with a book a lil while ago about making the Xbox. They clearly say they attempted to buy Nintendo and Nintendo said "they don't need the money"

*shrugs*

Yeah, they wanted to purchases Nintendo for almost their current Net worth. Nintendo would have been a very large company at that rate, but they probably wouldnt care because they would be under MS's thumb.

Oh. Cool, thanks.

If only it would have been a joint-venture instead of a buy-out... A buy-out sounds too... Microsoft. M$ would have made the console while Nintendo could have learned them quite a few tricks. :unsure:

I think that it would only work as a buyout because:

1) Nintendo had way too much faith in thier own console, and way too little faith in Ps2's hard development and M$ newbieness.

2) Nintendo probably already wasted millions of dollars creating the Gamecube before M$ steped in.

3) Nintendo probably wouldn't have accepted development for the 'Xbox' any other way... and there is no way in hell M$ would have wanted to use the 'GCN' hardware this generation.

I know you guys would have been pretty pissed to start off if you all had to spend the extra $$$ on Xbox and have to deal with the controller too :p

But we didn't know back then that Xbox and GCN would both be raped by Ps2. Now that we look back, most of us (most, not all) probably view it as a bad move for Nintendo... Xbox isn't looking too bad now-a-days. One less console to buy (for me ;))

Back then Xbox was predicted to flop though, and I wouldn't have even liked them buying out Nintendo. I mean, Xbox flops, M$ owns Nintendo, what happens next? PC games for Nintendo? :D

Oh well, maybe they can do it Next generation... hopfully. I don't like the three way competition.

Same.

There are too many multiplatform games. Games that are available on multiple consoles are less appealing for some reason (to me).

I don't want Nintendo to stop making consoles however. I totally see The Game's points, and I agree with most of them. Sony and Microsoft have way more money than Sony, hence they can buy more.

But I don't want it to be a Microsoft vs Sony console war in the end. Then on the other hand, if it's Nintendo vs Sony, Nintendo won't be able to compete head to head because of their console not having what mainstream people want (built in DVD player, MANY different games etc).

So I think that Nintendo aren't really competing with Sony and Microsoft for some reason. If they wanted to, I'm sure that they would have made the GC more like an Entertainment System rather than a console (e.g. hdd, dvd player) . It just seems that the GC is the odd one out of the 3, but that doesn't mean I don't want Nintendo to make consoles (or entertainment units for that matter).

I do want them to continue, but my question to Nintendo is "are you competing with Sony and Microsoft?"

If they are, then they need to create an entertainment unit, not a console, if not, then they are doing fine.

I dont think they will team up next gen, though rumors speculate the next console will incorperate Panasonic enough to consider it a joint venture, and not just Nintendo.

Panasonic + Nintendo= Yes.

Panasonic would love to see Sony, their main competitor, crash and burn. If we had the Panasonic Q instead of the Gamecube (but still called Gamecube), how do you think it would do?

Well, the obvious note comes up that Gamecube can't play bigger discs, disallowing large-memory games. Right now, their different style in the market is their strong point against the Xbox.

I had a dream the night I heard about the succesor to the Gamecube... I dreamt of a console that looked like the N64, but had the gamecube style disc insert instead of the RAM part and the cartridge space... and was silverish-blue. It was for big discs. That truly would be the perfect system in my opinion. People wouldn't complain about how it was big like the Xbox. It had a DVD player (panasonic partnership, just like the IBM or ATI partnership), and it looked really cool. But too bad it really was a dream. :(

Nintendo can't continue this "portable" thing, it's taking away from good CPU processing and polygon counts. Someone's going to have to be the oddball out, and if Nintendo falls into that category once more, it's going to be a hard time for us all. I know Nintendo is able to make great games, we've seen that over the years. But it's time to make another Super Nintendo if they want a good chance. It's pretty amazing a software company managed to come out with better hardware than Nintendo.

If Nintendo means "We do our best and leave luck to heaven!" then they certainly aren't doing their best. They have good luck, but they can't rely on it like this.

Edit: Well... I do realize they jumped ahead by accident by releasing the 64 bit cartridge system. The virtual boy really knocked them off. One mistake after another... from letting go of Sony while they were making the SNES CD add-on and allowing them to become the toughest competitor against them since 1995, to making the weak virtual boy as a 32-bit entry to compensate for Sony and Sega's 32 bit entries, to making a strong system that still used cartridges (and losing square's ff7 and the rest for all of those years--wasting millions of sales so far) much too late, to the Gamecube which doesn't have the latest stuff either, which happens to be DVD support. The Gamecube's lucky it's not suffering the same fate. Nintendo needs to do their absolute best next generation. Nintendo Software and Panasonic/Nintendo/IBM/ATI partnered hardware is a killer combination.

"The Gamecube's lucky it's not suffering the same fate."

I think GCN will come in third this generation.. but it's not because of Nintendo being ignorant, it''s because they won't stop making hardware. Compared to M$ and Sony, Nintendo doesn't even have enough money to keep making consoles. They have enough fan backing to make consoles, but as we see, that is fading more and more with each generation.

If they can't beat two higher priced competitors in sales with such strong 1st party support (which I feel they lost with Rare), Easy development, and about a 15 Year experience lead... how on earth will they return to greatness in the future?

They better latch on to sombody before it's too late and they find themselves flopping out of controll like Sega. They better sell thier worth now before they become worthless.

I for one hope Nintendo is bought out by M$... let Ms handle the hardware, and Nintendo (along with M$'s A-List of 2nd parties) could just handle the software.

But then M$ would HAVE to listen to Nintendo (Miyamoto) when it comes to controllers and stuff. X-Box is far from perfect.

I agree, Nintendosoft would be utter HELL. Microsoft is a software company, they won't go into hardware. They wanted to expand their abilities and make more money with bigger, better games in a different market in mind when they created the Xbox. They'd be caught dead before Nintendo comes in. Nintendo would put them out of the Xbox games business if they had to share. They're two different companies with two different philosophies.

Plus, Microsoft has had many more flops. Look at Whacked and Blinx. Wtf? If they had to share they'd start to lose much more money. Think about it for a second.

I can't imagine Nintendo games running off Xbox's hardware. Thinking about it even scares me.