Greeen Bay is an odd team. On grass they are excellent. At home they are next to unbeatable. On turf they are average at best. In a dome they suck. Go figure.

1. Green Bay Packers
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. Oakland Raiders
4. Indianapolis Colts
5. Tampa Bay Buccanears
6. Denver Broncos
7. San Diego Chargers
8. New Orleans Saints
9. Atlanta Falcons
10. Miami Dolphins

I just have one thing to say about the Eagles. Ever since the 49ers game they have shown how determined they are. Even though the Rams game ended with a 10-3 win I still think that they played well, it was mainly the fumbles that made the game low scoring, not A.J. Feeley, cause he probably would have had two TDs. So with their recievers finally catching the ball and Deuce Staley running very well, they will be even better when McNabb comes back. Their offensive line holds off the other teams defense and allows McNabb all the time in the world. Their defense should be second in the league, but with those 5 TDs that the Colts scored they lost that spot. They probably have the best secondary in the league with Dawkins, Talyor, Vincent, and Bishop. I think that once we get things together that we will do well. I'm just worried about home field advantage because if they have to play the Packers at Lambeau then we are done for.

Oakland Raiders first. LOL

No,no,no,

Top 5

1: Green Bay
2: Phiadelphia
3: Oakland
4: Tampa Bay
5: Indianapolis

Those are my top 5 Pics, still Mad, New England can't even be in top 10.

Yes I just realized that Oakland isn't the best team. So I'm gonna change that.

Ok, top ten

#1 Raiders

Gannon, rice, and garner will lead the way for the O and that's a mean defense. Janakowski is sold and the team is full of old guys who want to win. If they don't get screwed by the tuck rule they probably win the super bowl last year, this year they won't be stopped.

#2 Chargers

Good Defense + Good running game = Championships. It's that simple. I don't care how sexy throwing the ball is, if you can't run, you can't win. The rams didn't win last year because Martz started thinking too much. Shottenheimer won't have that problem.

#3 Bucks

Again with the defense. Here's another team that won't win with any razzle-dazzle but they just pound the crap out of you. If they get home field advantage in the NFC they won't lose a playoff game. If the have to play anywhere where it's less than 41 degrees out (gb/philly) then they'll fall.

#4 Eagles

What a defense what a team. Hopefully feely can put up enough offense to get them to the playoffs with a bye but hopefully he doesn't to well enough to warrant a qb controversy when mcnabb gets back.

#5 Steelers

What can't you say about Maddox (well, if he comes back and sucks there's a lot you can't say about him but lets forget that for the moment) If Maddox comes back they might be the only team that has a shot at the raiders and chargers in the AFC. The defense still kicks ass and Ward/Burras give them the kind of passing game that team hasn't had since swann/stallworth. Expect Bettis to turn it up on in the playoffs.

Here's where we hit the wall.

Next we have the two "superstar" teams.

#6 Packers #7 Falcons

I don't think either of these teams is very good, especially the falcons but 4 on the pack and 7 on the Falcons take them both to another level. The packers aren't very good. I watched them come close to losing to my bears last weekend and the bears are so banged up and worn out from losing there's no way any team should ever come close to losing to them yet if not for a fumble and a stupid lack of block by RW McQuarters the pack would have gone down 28-6 in the third quarter. The pack's defense is beatable and the offense is favre. Perhaps the best quarterback ever. If they get home field look out.

The falcons are bad. Not bengal bad (the bangles are THE WORST franchise in professional sports) not even bear bad, but they're a 15-20 ranked team with potentially the most devastating single player ever. If vick stays white hot they could take a run at the NFC championship, that would only take 3 wins.

To round out the top ten we have 3 teams that are very similar. The Saints, 9ers and Colts. All three teams try to get by with that three headed monster WR/QB/RB combo. They all have below average defenses too (actually the colts D isn't that bad stat wise but I don't consider them in the same league as the broncos/raiders/bucs/chargers/eagles et al.) None of these three are super bowl contenders but maybe just maybe one of them will sneak into their conference's' championship game.

And just for fun

#32 Bengals

GOOD GOD these guys are so awful. They can't get any kind of consistency going. Their management can't draft to save their lives. I think whoever gets the #2 pick in the draft will be the luckiest team in the league (anybody the bungles want can't possibly someone who should be on your team) I do love that TJ Houshmandezdeh guy though, what a great name.

#31 Panthers

I know they won last week, they still suck. It's especially bad when your punter is your best player

#30 Vikings

Mike Tyce=Meathead
Randy Moss=Psycho
Culpeper=Pissed at his situation

Well, when these guys are the San Antonio vikings in a few years and cullpeper is gone and moss is in jail maybe the whole world will finally realize what a moron Dennis Green was and then I can be happy

#29 Lions :banghead:

When you kick off in overtime, you deserve to lose.

#28 Texans

Not bad for an expansion team but I smell another panthers situation here. Good for a few years but mortgage their entire future for a fanbase.

#27 Cardinals

I was on the Jake Plumber bandwagon for a good 3 years but for god sakes cardinal management give it up. This team really doesn't have anyone left. Thomas Jones was a huge bust and I don't think their draft pick ever signed. Oh well.

#26 Seahawks

There's no reason why this team should be bad, but yet..... I think we have another case of the supersized ego (not to be confused with the superego) of the head coach who believed he could be a GM. Again, no defense, no wins for you.

#25 Cowboys

Decent defense but not good enough, especially against the pass. Combinde this with one of the worst offensive situations in the league and you've got crap.

#24 Redskins

Wow, Steve Inferior was given a team with a great defense but he seems intent on not letting them do their business. His offense is awful. Not one good receiver among the bunch and the only quarterback he has who has anything going for him is mathewes yet he insists on playing danny "I throw the ball like a hand grenade" wurffel. Steve, it's not hard. You see that guy with the number 46 on his jersey? That's stephen davis. He's what's called a running back. Give him the ball 30 times a game and maybe you'll have a chance to win.

See you back in the NCAA in a few years.

#23 Bears

I never believed my bears were 13 and 3 good last year but to deny they were any worse than 10-6 or 9-7 takes a packer fan :) Everything that possibly could have gone wrong this year has. Thomas, Holdman, Terell, Tucker, Washington, Columbo all are out for the season and half of the rest of the team is banged up. Combine that with home games at U of I and not getting ANY breaks at all this year and you have the team at 3-9. I think if they draft well in april and find a quarterback (maybe sign culpeper or bulger) the could be back in the playoffs next year with a 9-7 to 11-5 record.

Although the Vikings suck, Randy Moss is not a psycho, he will not be in jail, Culpepper sucks, and the Vikings are not moving anywhere. You have other athletes who are worse then Moss who aren't even in jail, so why would Moss be? Don't hate on him just because he is the best receiver out there.

Randy Moss is the reason why the Vikings suck. His "I don't care about anything but myself" attitude has been infectious. It has ruined Culpepper and made Cris Carter stop caring about football. If I could get Randy Moss on my team for $10 a year I wouldn't want him. He is poison and the Vikings have let him make their whole team sick.

There is a reason why most teams let himpass by in the draft.

Is he incredibly talented? Yes, but so was Jeff George. Look at where he is now. Attitude is everything, therefore he is nothing and never will be as long as he keeps acting like a child.

RUNNING FVCKING HUMAN BEINGS OVER WITH CARS IS NOT SOMETHING NORMAL PEOPLE DO!

GOD! How can people not think there is something seriously psycologicly wrong with randy moss?

Maybe he won't be in jail but he sure as hell deserves it. the people out there who are "worse than him" should be in jail too. Best reciever out there LOL Owens, Harrison, Ward, Rice, Driver, Horn are all better recievers. Hell marty booker is a better player than randy moss this year.

Oh yeah, don't think the vikings wouldn't move to San Antoinio if they could. Their owner is from texas, he wants out of minnesota and He's having trouble getting a new stadium to replace the ****ty hump dome. The nfl has to approve moves and they won't let the vikings go as long as they make money in minnesota because they know if they move and they're profitable then they'll just need to put another expansion team up there.

Even though Stonecutter is a Bears fan... and he ranked Green Bay way too low... I have to agree with him here. Randy Moss is a royal ass. If you add up what he has done in high school, college, and the pros it's quite a record. Randy Moss is the direct reason why the Vikings are awful, and my Packers will prove it tonight on ESPN Sunday Night Football. :)

By the way MasterMind, could you please name one current Vikings player who is respectable, a model citizen, and has never had any problems with the law?

Well, nothing will bring bears and packers fans together quite like bashing vikings fans.

"Way too low?"

Which of those teams do you actually believe the packers are better than? I'll agree that pittsburgh just didn't show up today and SD lost (though to the raiders) but can you honestly say the packers should be ranked higher than 4th?

Well...the Packers didn't look all that impressive tonight, but hey, they came back and got the win, that's what matters I suppose. Haha, that little scrum at the end was fairly amusing though.

I fear Lambeau Field. The Eagles need to win out and get homefield or at least get one home game if Greenbay fails to get homefield. The Packers at the Vet don't scare me. The Packers at home do. But put Brett on the s**tty Vet turf and watch the interceptions just fall into Bobby Taylor's hands :D

I agree, the Vet's turf is horrible. The Eagles seem to do fine on it, but I guess that's because they are used to it. They should be able to pull off home field advantage because the Packers are 8-3 in the NFC and the Eagles are 9-0 in the NFC and with only three games left (all NFC games) the Eagles will at least have one win, but I bet the will win a three of their last games, so they will clinch home field advantage.

Did any of you see Lincoln Financial Field yet. The stands are very steep and the stadium is higher than the Vet.

Those damn Vikings... we hate them all!

Ok, my #1 ranking of the Pack is a tad biased, I will admit it. But if you asked me to rank the Packers from a nonbiased perspective, I would honestly rank them 3rd. In the entire NFL.

I agree. The Packers didn't play all that well, but they rallied to get the win and that is all that matters. By the way, I bet four or five Vikings players will get nice little fines in the mail from the friendly NFL come Tuesday.

The vet has the worst turf of any stadium in sports. The turf that covers second base has nothing but cement underneath it.

Does anyone rembember a bears eagles game back in 93 at the vet? Bears WR Wendell Davis broke both his knees when he went out for a pass and fell on that crappy turf. Too bad.

heh, vikings suck.

Hey Stonecutter, have you ever seen the Viking's trophy case? Har har har...

34-0

Yep, you guessed it. That is Brett Favre's record in home games when the temperature at kickoff is 34 or lower. Here's hoping for homefield advantage. :D

Yep...that's why the Eagles are saying good bye to old faithful at the end of the year. Hopefully that's not until the NFC championship game. :D

Of course we'll see the Phillies play at the vet for another year, so the beast will not be put to sleep until next September...(maybe October with Thome :sneaky: )

Oooooooo I can't wait for the Vet to go down. My dad and I are definitely going to see it and it will be awesome, probably just like the King Dome in Seattle.

What do you guys think about the AFC, which teams do you think are out of it after being in the race. I think that the Bills, and the Broncos are finally out of it and I'm kind of surprised that the Broncos are, but they have had a tough schedule.

Woo! Go Steelers!

*remembers they got beat 24-6 by the Texans this week*

*sits quitely in corner*

Yeah man, that Steelers game was uuuuuugly. The Texans get 47 yards and 3 first downs and win by 18 points? *does not compute* That's why defense wins football games....

I forgot about that. WOO bye bye vet. Now all we have to do is get rid of cinergy in cincinnati and busch in st. louis and we can forever purge baseball of those suckey awful cookie cutter stadiums.

the Steelers blew chucks on Sunday.

My Colts lost too, but not like THAT...to the TEXANS

:mad:

but yes, that is pretty pathetic...Damn good thing their division is so horrible.:D

NE has woken up and Miami are still hanging their. I think NE will win that division, but by one win.

But i think either Green Bay or Pittsburg will win the Super Bowl this year.

Miami Has just beat the best team in the AFC. Oh Yeah!!!! Were #1

Falcons Lose
Saints Lose
Tampa Barely beats the Lions

Philly and Green Bay win handily...

See you at the NFC championship game Bond :D

heh...I agree with you about Philly...but I bet you weren't watching the Packers game...I was, and it was tense at the end

Colts won too :) Marvin Harrison is simply Marvelous


Marvin Harrison (88) brings down his record-breaking 124th reception of the season during the third quarter :rock:



"Colts receiver Marvin Harrison (88) and tackle Tarik Glenn (78) banter with a group of surly Cleveland fans after Harrison scored a fourth quarter touchdown." :lol:


Peyton Manning (left) and Marvin Harrison teamed up for two touchdowns, giving them 57 pitch-and-catch scores in the five seasons they've played for the Colts

:)

Thread Updated with some new content :D

Oh, I stopped tracking the Green Bay game when it looked like Green Bay had it in hand. It was tense at the end. Hmmmmm... Green Bay was playing on grass too, they should have done better if they are going to make the stretch run.

The weather was horrible at San Francisco though. Up to 25 MPH winds I heard, and at times heavy rain. Add on to that our countless injures. We played good for the conditions.

NFC Championship
Eagles vs. Packers

That would be a great game...

Farve is probably the best bad weather QB out there, too. Thats my worry once Donovan comes back. he struggles in less than ideal conditions.

Right now, I actually think you guys are better off without McNabb. I mean, your team as a whole has been playing much better. Maybe it's because they're without their leader, or maybe it's because McNabb overshadows them. But it has to be something.

I think that without McNabb the Eagles finally realize that they are a good offense, and not just the Donovan McNabb Show. Now the question is when MCNabb comes back will they be that much better, or will they go back to the same old same old.

If Donovan takes a lesson from the stellar game he played with a broken leg and stops hopping around the pocket like a jack rabbit and starts trusting his receivers like Koy and Feeley are doing right now, the Eagles will be next to unbeatable.

I basically agree.

I mean, before McNabb went out I was lead to believe McNabb had to do everything on his own. Obviously everyone now knows that that is not the case. He had fairly capable receivers at his disposal, but he never really did use them to their limit. Or even close for that matter. But I think that McNabb will come back the same as he came into the season. That's why Detimer and Feeley are better starts in my opinion.

I think that once McNabb comes back the team will be much better. The offense has stepped up and I don't think it will go back to the way it had before. McNabb has probably seen that in these last 4 games that he can now trust his recievers more so and he has a good arm so I think that they will definitely be better. I didn't like how the defense slacked off at the end of the game yesterday. They allowed 2 Redskin TDs, I guess they got kind of cocky, but we can't have that.

Hey now...lets not dis Busch Stadium...it is way more functional than that Old rusting Peice of crap Wrigley Field. But, alas, your wish will soon get granted. Cardinals plan to be in a new Stadium for the 2006 season, which means bye bye bush...:(

But back on topic...Steelers won yesterday...makes them a respectable 8-5-1.

The Eagles will play Donovan McNabb when he is healthy enough to play and there is no doubt that this is the right move, but the only thing that I worry about is rust. It's hard to throw a QB into a 2nd round playoff game (hopefully), and that the game is his first in 7-8 weeks. The team is playing great now and I just worry that the adjustment time may take a quarter or a half in that first game, and basically you can't sacrifice that much time for such a huge game. My biggest wish is that Donovan could somehow, some way play in the regular season finally just to get his feet wet again. As we have shown though, we don't need the best QB to win, and even if Donovan isn't the same right away, we know that our running game and defense will keep us in games (and the crowd if we get home-field at the Vet)

P.S Jason Baker SUCKS...I'm serious, you never know how much you miss a guy like Sean Landeta until someone this bad takes his place. I don't want the other god damn team on the 45 yard line every time they get the ball...You simply cannot sacrifice that sort of field position in a meaningful game. (This was part of the reason that the Redskins were able to come back.) I doubt we can sign another punter this late in the year, so I guess we'll have to stick it out, I mean the guy gets a mock standing ovation for kicking the ball 40 yards like he's supposed to...I saw Akers limping after his last kickoff also...if we lost both of those guys, our special teams would be royally screwed.

EDIT: Hahahaha! I was just watching Sportsnite and Jason Baker was RELEASED. Thank god, I guess we know that we can get someone else that is hopefully better...oh well, that previous rant was useless. :p

LO FVCKING L

Have you ever been to Wrigley? I've been to both Wrigley and busch and if you think busch comes even close you're out of your mind. Wrigley is the crown jewel of baseball's stadiums. I've never been to fenway but that's the only stadium that could possibly match Wrigley.

You know, if I were the eagles I'd keep feely out there unless he loses one of the last two games (unless mcnabb can come back in week 17.) The only thing worse than not having your starter play is having a cold qb come in. Rembember when the bills tried that crap back in.....98? 99? either way the year that fluite was the starter the whole year then they decide to put rob johnson in for the playoff game. Hell, the same thing happened back in 86. The bears were in the playoffs and rather than play Jim McMahanon who had started most of the year the put the then Rookie Doug Fluitie in to play in the playoffs and got their asses kicked.

Updated

1 Eagles or Bucs Depending on who gets home field. I think these two meet in the NFC Championship game and the home team wins.

2 Bucks/Eagles

3 Raiders

I know they lost but I still cant put them any lower than 3. I think they're the only legit team in the AFC they just had a bad game this week and it's probably good to get it out of their systmes at this point.

4 Packers

Ehh I hate doing this but I really think this is the only other team with a chance at the super bowl but they need home field to have a chance.

5???? who the hell knows there really isn't any team that deserves this spot this week. I'm thinking maybe it could be the saints then they lose or the chargers but they lose two in a row. I refuse to give it to the dolphins becasue they are the most overrated team in football but other than that I dont know. I think maybe Colts.