It would be difficult to have a crusade when the Pope doesn't even want us there.

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My, my, my look at that.

Iraq has already fired several scud missiles, which according to them they didn't have. Luckily all of them have been shot down by our much improved patriot missiles. Those inspections sure did work, didn't they France?

Iraq also just recently violated the Geneva Convention by shooting one of our POWs through the head. Upon other violations. This is a great regime, isn't it?

And of course Al Jazeera only reports the Iraqi propaganda and never any of the Allied victories. They aren't biased and/or influenced at all, now are they?

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Umm.... Is that what they actaully did?

The pope was against WWII as well, and Operation Enduring Freedom, and every other war that they didn't start.

Yes. At least there has been no intelligence contradicting that statement. The video that Al Jazeera aired also violates more rules of the Geneva Convention. That's interrogations and public exposure if you were wondering.

At least the media is exposing this. Many innocent civilians in Iraq are brutally murdered and/or tortured each day in front of their relatives by Saddam's government. Of course you never hear that.

Now I have a question: Why does it seem that it's always an American that accidently kills some of his squadmates. Are we just that stupid or do the Allies do the same thing but its just not reported to American TV?

And I'm not referring to the grenades in the tents. I'm talking about the incidents in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Two British helicopters crashed into eachother. That was reported.

And the US accidentally shot down a RAF plane with a patriot missle...

He was wondering about accidents not caused by the American people... So I stated one.

No one's stupid except you. War isn't a game, your teammates and your enemies aren't different colorsk, they don't have a name appearing above their head. You can't possibly expect to know where every single person is aty any given moment. Accidents happen, mechanical problems happen, they always have, and they will for years.

Unless you have only 2 guys fighting back to back, friendly fire is going to happen.

right-o carry on then

I was just saying that it always seems to be us doing the friendly fire.

This is a war. Poeple are going to die. I have 2 friends in the Marine Corps in Iraq right now. One or both could be dead and if I didn't fail the physical (horrifically bad knees) I would be with them most likely. It is a risk that must be taken when committing troops to a conflict. This war is not being fought with paint balls, and sometimes unfortuante things happen when you are fighting for your life.

Casualties are to be expected. Did anyone think we would enter this war and not have any troops die?

Ok, I guess I didn't explain myself enough. I figured there would be friendly fire, but the majority of it seems to come from Americans. This may be because the news channels don't report the ones that are caused by other countries, but I'm not sure. So I asked.

They majority of the troops are Americans.

It's all relative.

Ahhh...I see, thank you.

Well, maybe if you would have let the UN actually finish the inspections they would have found them.

Huh hello? it's war. And at least they are killing your soldiers, not your childrens.

Yhea, they should take the example on the US media right?

No. It's not even debatable. Iraq was required to bring forth all of its weapons, and then the UN inspectors would inspect them, and destroy them. The UN was not in there to search, but they were searching. They searched for 10 years, and they couldn't get the job done. But of course, you have some reason to believe if we give them 50 years things will improve.

First off, there are rules when it comes to war, believe it or not. It would be in our interest to kill the thousands of Iraqi troops who surrendered, but there is a difference between a country who violates human rights, and one who doesn't. And BTW, those soldiers are averaging 19 years old. You know what? Those are somebody's children, from a mother and father who said goodbye to them as little as one year ago.

Al Jazeera is showing the brutality of war, and showing what all the evil Americans are doing. That's pure propaganda. Don't believe me, look for yourself. But anyone other than Ranzid, take my advice, and don't look. It's nothing you care to see.

Yeah, we don't have propaganda, neither. Right?
Ever watch that crappy good morning America?

Oh give me a break. No one country actually thought the inspections would work. And no country could honestly say Iraq was free of weapons of mass destruction. That's a joke.
I apologize, I just thought civilized countries were held to moral ethical values that are enforced by the Geneva Convention. Oh wait, Iraq isn't a civilized country and does not follow any international laws.

At least the US media is not controlled by the government as Iraqi TV is. And at least the US media does not violate the Geneva Convention. Of course I think the US media is biased. But they aren't breaking any international laws such as Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV.

I don't understand how it's pure propaganda. Are you saying that those person were not wounded/killed by Americans?

If you say so.

Well, if you would like to find any factual information stating that the American press it controlled by the United States government be my guest.

I bringing this thread back to life, as I am curious to what all the nay sayers feel now that Iraqi citizens are dancing in the streets, praising president Bush, waving American flags and kissing US military personnel of the cheek.

yeah, the US is really getting bad rap in the Middle East. If anything this has proved that we have had too little faith in the Middle Eastern people. We have to remember that while many of them hate us, most of them onlt know what their governments have taught them.

The biggest threat that the US can bring to other Middle Eastern nations is not in the form of bombs, missiles or oppression. This is not what makes Syria, Jordan and other dictatorships nervous. The biggest threat we pose is the introduction of democracy to to people that have never known it.

Wow... So many Iraqi people have guns, lol... If those Iraqi citizens are allowed to fire bullets in the air and carry guns on the streets, wouldn't it be easy for Saddam loyalists (if there is any, lol) to just open fire on American troops in Bagdad?

That is happening in parts of baghdad still.

And just for kicks, lets look at a post from Rick in his old topic:

Didn't Marc say that?

He's Ravishing Rick Rude on these forums.

Oh, i thought bond meant Rick... as in Ric... yep.. lol

Hmmmm...

I see none of the anti-war people want to post on this topic anymore. I wonder why that is...

I am anti war in general... It is a shame to see people die... especially civilians... but with the outcome of this war, and all the citizens in the street sheering and dancing, its good to see Iraq liberated.

I'm pretty sure that's a small minority of Iraq's population. You will always have people on both side, I would like to know the % of Iraq's population that actually support the US. Your medias show only the good parts, so you all think that all Iraq is happy now, wich isn't true.

The US is already taking aim to it's next target in it's middle east takeover: Syria.

And how come they haven't caught Hussein yet? Isn't there some mighty bunkers underneat Bagdad? How come we don't hear about those? Did the US searched them?

Well its a large enough portion to point out Baath party locations and groups of resistance the the US. Also, why wouldn't you think a large portion would like us? We're giving them things that they never had under Saddam, like food, water and medical attention. There have been anti-american protests in Iraq, but that us to be expected. BTW, the whole reason behind the protests were in reaction to the looting, which they felt the US should have policed. That is an arguable point, but I would rather see more Marines come home safe than beey Abdul from stealing a Sony HD TV from a Baath party headquarters.

As for the US media only showing the good parts, have you been paying attention to the coverage? Everyday the US generals are grilled by US reporters. The US battle plan has been criticized up and down since day one. David Arnet is on Iraqi TV praising their government and saying how Iraq is making the US chantge their strategy because of the "fierce resistance." Yes, resistance so fierce it took us all of 3 weeks to unseat the Baath party and the Republican Guard just disappeared into the populace. Wow, they must really love their leader to just let the United States waltz into the middle of Bagdad.

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The US is already taking aim to it's next target in it's middle east takeover: Syria.

1) Please name me one country in the last 50 years that the US has colonized.

2) Syria is bringing it upon themselves. They picked the wrong side, have been dealing weapons to Iraq even after the war began, has been allowing any crazy a**hole to cross the border to try and kill the military (which I don't mind since they are just basically disorganized and being slaughtered. Every nutball that a marine kills is one less that will randomly bomb a hospital or child care facility). The US is not targeting Middle Eastern nations indiscriminately. If anything, the US is showing that they are standing behind what they've said: If you harbeor terrorists or support terrorism... you're next.

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And how come they haven't caught Hussein yet? Isn't there some mighty bunkers underneat Bagdad? How come we don't hear about those? Did the US searched them?

I'm not sure what you're implying there, but I think he's very likely in Syria by now, if he's alive. He's one man in a sea of Iraqi's the size of California once he takes off the uniform.