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Originally posted by The Strangler
Let me put it this way: No one has ever gotten over by losing to someone who cheats without ever overcoming those odds to win. NO ONE. Cheating or no, a loss is a loss is a loss. Piper cheated constantly, but he never did screw Hogan out of the title did he? Of course not, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE KILLED HOGAN'S HEAT.

Agreed... but you are taling about a rivalry with no equals... in that situation Face>Heel... but in a HHH situation Heel>face... so how exactly do they make HHH lose with cheating involved?

To smash HHH's heat he needs to lose a match w/o any cheating from his party, or even cheating from the Face's side. Hasn't happend yet, they need to tie him into a cage and ban Flair from ringside... if he were to win a match like this now it would shake me even more than the Booker Match.

Just a question, lets say HHH loses a match.... what happens to HHH after this event? In today's story there is no room for him anywhere else but the title Race... I thought there would be room elsewhere, but now that Rock/Austin are gone he can't really have a big match away from the belt.

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The time tested angle is as follows: Heel is champ. Heel cheats face to win over and over again. Face wins title at big money event. Face is over and draws money with another heel or continues feud. Booker should have gone over, there is no reason on God's green earth why he shouldn't have, besides backstage politics and ego. NONE.

Agreed

at WM it is the perfect time to hand the torch, if Booker would have made an exciting champ or not, I think he still should have won that match.

I have to go to class.. I'll be back to respond to the second half of your post.

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Good, apparently you didn't make it on time to realize I made half a post.

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Here's how it works with HHH: Heel is champ. Heel cheats to win over and over and then. Heel buries poo slob who he was working with at a big money event. Heel faces next chump stupid enough to get buried by him thinking they'll be elevated.

this has only been true for the last three-four months.

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The fact is HHH has gotten over by taking, and has given little to nothing back. He has gotten over by being booked as a legitimate champ and by going over a lot of big names. I have no problem with that. But legitimate and depressingly and boringly unbeatable are 2 different things. I feel sad for Mick Foley that he spent the end of his career basically creating this backstage monster.

unbeatable... please don't mank me laugh, HHH is no less beatable than Brock, our other champ.

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Let me ask you this: If you were a WWE worker right now, and you saw what has happened to those who worked HHH, would you want to work him or try and get over while avoiding him?

If I was a young RVD/Rey Mysterio type, of course I'd try to avoid him, because he wouldn't accept me beating him... and more importantly the writers and Vince wouldn't accept it.

If I were in Booker's shoes, what choice is there? Either stay back and be a joke with Goldust, or be moved up into the ranks of a potential champion... and have my first title bout at WM. Win or lose this is a better direction than where Booker was going before hand.

Personaly, I'm a firm hater of the shows splitting up. I think the split is everything that's wrong with the WWE right now. Vince thinks he has more show carriers then he acctually has.

Like I said earlier in my post, HHH loses, then what? If there were no split there would be plenty of superstars out there for him to crush or lose to w/o having to even be the holder of the "ticket" that gets a wrestler over. HHH could be out there for months and not have any encounter with the champ, and after losing the belt he would have a lot to fall back on.

In Raw's state HHH is the king of the hill, is that his fault? maybe... but I can't help thinking what would he be doing right now if he didn't have the belt and HBK took it, or Steiner, or Booker. How can he even fit in with the story w/o going for the belt with Raw's limited roster?

he's not good enough on the mic to be a side show... much like Goldberg...

If you could have taken control of Raw in late 2002, where would you have put HHH in the story, how would you have worked him out of the belt or his current domanence?