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Yes, communism in theory works. But it only works in real life if your leader can decide what is fair and balanced.

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A member here on GT who wishes to remain anonymous has asked me to deliver this message to Bond:

"Bond, I find your signature offensive, please remove it."

That is all, please resume debate.

*teleports out*

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the truth offends someone?


so if my signiture said 'the earth is round'

would it offend this person also?

And besides that, who cares if some Iraqis die.

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We didn't lose a damn thing. The only way you're able to say that is by changing the definition to serve your cause. There were many bad things that came as a result of the Vietnam War, but by no means did we lose the war.

Vietnam was fought to stop the spread of communism because it was felt to be a threat to the free world. Now for you to say life in the US wouldn't be any different is completly ludicris, because you have no idea what life was like when communism was still strong.

Vampyr, who's calling Canadians stupid? We're referring specifically towards Ranzid :D To say that Canadians are clueless when it comes to American politics means I would have to accept that Americans are generally educated on them, and would have a hard time saying that.

And Bond, I don't think any leader can help communism. It may work well for ants, but not humans.

Oh, and Bond, an anonymous member of GT told me they like your sig, and want you to keep it.

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Oh, you're absoluty right. Those 53,000 lives that were lost accomplishing nothing were completly worthless.

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Well now if that's your definition, no one has ever won any war. And BTW, they didn't accomplish nothing. It's too bad you have no respect for the very people who died for you.

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It's too bad you have sooooo much respect for the people that threw those 53,000 lives away.

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I don't feel they were thrown away, those are your words. As for the people whose lives were being "thrown away" according to you, 91% of Vietnam veterans are glad they served.

I respect those who served, I never said a thing about anyone else. I don't care much for LBJ, don't have any respect for draft dodgers, don't have any respect for war protesters, and don't have any respect for someone who think that a soldiers life is ever thrown away.

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91% said they were glad they served. Good point, THEY CAME BACK. I bet 53,000 or so families that lost children probably weren't so happy. Not to mention the fact that the entire time they've been in the military they've been conditioned not to question orders and to believe that they are doing what's best.

I really want to know who said I didn't respect those who served. I mourn those who died. The fact is, they didn't have to die. Their lives were wasted. They changed nothing. All soldiers who served deserve respect. With a few exceptions, all any protester wants is to get those people home as fast as possible so that fewer people die.

That war was fought because the stance on communism and the huge military build up needed to be justified.

So we went and rained explosives on people in the jungle, exposed our own troops to agent orange, sent men up in airplanes to be shot down by SAM missiles. We sent 53,000 people off to die, and killed a hell of a lot more on the other side.

And the justification for this was "stemming the tide of communism" yeah, that evil red tide. Evil when you're a millionaire and you're afraid that people who are starving might just want to take a little of that away so that they can live comfortably too, that's what communism is about right? Nobody starves.

But we have to fight that. We have to make sure that people are starving so that others can eat caviar and own mansions AND we have to make sure that those who are starving hate communism, and think that it's evil. So that they don't realize how badly they're being ****ed over by the smallest of minorities.

So yeah, 53,000 americans, and probably the low to mid six figures in Vietnamese.

But at least the rich don't lose any money.

Half a million or so people DEAD so that the upper 1% of americans can live without fear of revolution.

Good deal, good deal.

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hmmm ok...

And why not?

And what are you waiting for to begin the destruction?

Oh come on! Do I really need to posts links to show you that a lot of other countries are way worse than Iraq? You are just being lazy here and avoiding the argument.

Do what? Remove the leader to put another one? What will that change? The country is devided, there will always be a group of people that won't agree. So trying to make 1 peaceful country with them is almost impossible, at least right now.

Look, I don't "hate" america, it's not because I'm don't agree with some of the stuff it does that I hate them. I use the "other places" argument to argue with your "we went to save the Iraqis" argument, wich I believe is ****. Look, you said it yourself, you don't personnally care about them.

Wow, you really think that the Arabs will get along with the Jews and/or US (or anybody else for that matter) in a near future? Well at least you're optimistic.

I said: "Don't you find it odd that it's still chaos over there..." you took that part of the phrase and replied: "No. Afghanistan was the same way, or did you not pay attention?" So I assumed that you meant that it wasn't a suprise if it was still chaos, because Afghanistan was still in chaos and it's been years. Now if it's not what you meant correct me, but if it is, read my reply again.

I'll agree with you, it's probably good for their economy, but it's certainly good to yours, isn't?

What's with the belittling? Can't you argue in a mature way?
Then don't destroy it.
Yhea, but there is no need to **** them in the process.
The US government would be proud of you!!

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Could you please explain to me how I humiliated myself?

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Seriously dude, just stop, you're a moron. I think gekko is wrong with all my heart but at least he has a thought. You do not know what you are talking about.

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EAST COAST MOTHER****ER!!!!@111 :rolleyes:

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Well please inform me. If I can learn on these boards it's even better. Don't just say "your a moron"

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Well, thats all you are going to get from him. He can neverr give a better answer than that.

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and now for the picture to go with my sig. ;)

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LOL. And that reminds me of a joke.

What's better than winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics?

Not being retarded.

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Hmm well let's look at some other real facts. I don't know if this has been brought up yet? But had America Joined The League of Nations after WWI we might have been able to stop WWII from happening, if we had had the chance to interfere with other countries, and if we hadn't went into depression we might have been able to stop Hitler. But thanks in part to a Senate in disagreement with Wilson, we didn't. Ahh Politics strike again!

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*pops out of his trash can*

Well, in all the debates about whether or not Iraq has any weapons of mass destruction, nobody has ever answered me this:

If Saddam Hussein didn't have any WMDs, why didn't he just comply with the weapons inspectors? Everybody agreed back then that Iraq was holding up investigations, being slow to comply with requests and generally acting like it had something to hide.

Why?

Saddam Hussein knew that he couldn't possibly win a war with the U.S. and knew that if he dragged his feet, he'd have that very war on his hands. Saddam is a little crazy, but he's not stupid. If he wanted to stay in power and he didn't in fact have any WMD program, all he had to do was say, "Come on in! The door's wide open. I'll answer all your questions regarding WMDs. You can enter any lab you want. You'll see. We don't have anything."

And that would have been that. You don't really think the U.S. would have gone to war with Iraq just to free some people who are having their human rights violated, do you? It's very sad, but the U.S. doesn't tend to stick out its neck like that.

Oh, and it's well known if you do a little research that the vast majority of oil Americans consume comes from either within the States or from Venezuela. That's right. We don't get much from the Middle East. Iraqi oil can affect worldwide prices, but not enough to make an unpopular war worthwhile. Bush had to know he'd be getting criticism every day that the war is going on. There are better ways to jump start the economy if that's what you really want to do.

P.S. Hello from Vietnam, everyone! Communism isn't working too well here, but then again, the country isn't really communist any more.

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Well that sucks. I just want to have a good debates and LEARN. If I say such stupid things then I want to know what they are and why it's stupid. Also I liked his post about communism and I agree with what he said. This is a good debate, but calling people morons without any explication won't help it.

You have a good point Xantar, I would say that maybe Hussein like the majority of people on this planet, doesn't like to be told what to do and have other people getting their noses into his business. Now, I'm not saying that to defend Hussein or to say that he should have the right to WMDs, but it's not because the man wasn't very cooperative that it meant he was hiding something.
I think that it's fair enough to say that Iraq was cooperating in the latest inspections.
Well, a lot of pro americans use that as an argument. Do they believe it? I don't know.

Yes you're probably right, but it has to be a motive, even if not has important as the supposed threat of WMD.

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I find myself agreeing with Xantar?!
Well, it could be for any number of reasons. Saddam is a very smart person, but he is also insane, which makes it very hard to know what he was trying to do. He must have anticipated that we would invade his country if he held up the investigations and did not produce the anthrax, chemical agents, etc. He also most likely knows that we would have lost a war with our alliance, and he did. But he's still insane, so who knows. He probably wanted to buy time to transport his chemical agents and/or non/conventional weapons to other countries and terrorist groups. What may have also happened is that during the time between the U.N. inspectors leaving and the US coming in he may have destroyed all of his weapons to look innocent.

Right now it appears he is trying to wage guerilla warfare on us, something he knows that will be moderately successful. But only until we capture or kill him...
What other country does more than the US in that regard? None.
That is very true. I viewed a graph recently showing an extremely small fraction of our oil comes from the Middle East, I may try to find it sometime. Also, if you think we invaded Iraq only for oil (you're very misinformed) but it was to stabilize the oil prices. That was only part of the reason.

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Well in that case, 74% say they would serve again not knowing the outcome. You may think what they did was pointless, but they knew what they were fighting for.

You've said it, many times.

That's a load of bull****. Anyone who protests a war does not support the troops in any way.

Actually, communism goes against the very principles this country was founded on. The very things people have fought and died to protect for the last 227 years.

You'll upset a lot more than the top 1% by changing this country. I'll be dead before that ever happens. Oh, and Vietnam is 30 years old, say what you want, get the last word, but I'm getting back to the topic here with Iraq.

Moving on to Ranzid

Actually, it would be better if you could do it without links. The reality is you're more or less unaware of the situation in other countries, in the same way you're unaware of the situation in the middle east. I'm just pointing out the fact that you can't hide the obvious here, and if you want to bring up a point, at least know something on it.

Actually, not really. Our economy would've been better off not spending all that money in the first place.

Actions speak louder than words. Last time I checked, you haven't learned a thing in months.

Except this isn't normal business. And he should be looking out for the interest of his people, and when you're on the brink of war, you should start telling the truth. Thing is, he had them, and he is a master at hiding them. Then we pull out inspectors for months of arguing, giving him a chance to permanently hide this stuff, if not move it. I don't think realistically he could've destroyed everything in that amount of time, but he can hide it, and make it almost impossible to find without human intelligence. Of course, the CIA is having its own problems and we have had horrible human intelligence in Iraq for some time. Now if you think Bush exagerated the threat of WMD, you can make a case for it, but there is no evidence of it at this time. If you think WMD don't exist, you're blind.

A lot of people, like myself, think it's a good enough reason to take out Saddam. While all the Democrats and anti-Bush people are trying to say that the WMD don't exist, a lot of people don't really care if we've found them now, or if we find them later. The world is a better place with Saddam gone, and hopefully Iraq can be used as an example for the rest of these countries. Iraq is nearing a revolt, the house of Saud is on its last days, and hopefully the region doesn't turn to ****, not like it isn't now.

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And you've proved you know nothing.

That is so wrong, I don't even know where to begin.

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Well I'll help you begin. First off, you're an arrogant little asshole who has no respect for the very people who provide you with your freedom. Second, you don't know **** about what it means to serve your country. You're just a selfish little bitch who sit back and let's everyone else fight for you because you're too much of a coward to do it yourself, and to top it all off, you don't even give them a ****ing thank you. You think you know about war protests? You don't know jack ****. You've never spent a day in the shoes of those troops. You think you're supporting them? Bull****. Why don't you take your conceited self over to the nearest military base and ask them how much they enjoy your support. Better yet, why don't you go tell them how their lives are being wasted? Or don't you have the balls?

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If you would like to engage in an intelligent discussion that does not involve insults you may continue to post in this thread. If you would like to flame people, you may leave.

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By the way, here is proof our Government just released that Uday and Qusay are dead: (They aren't that bad, I'm sure you've seen worse in the movies)

Uday Before


Uday After


Qusay Before


Qusay After

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DEAR GOD WE KILLED FRANKO HARRIS!

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And you all got your panties in a bunch when that Iraqis news network published pictures of dead US soldiers. Talk about double standards...

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You think you support the troops, you don't have a clue. You support the war.

I support the troops.

You're just another warmonger. I hope you can find true lasting happyness in the glee you take from death and distruction.

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So you only replied to what you wanted to? Where's the rest? Stop avoiding arguments.


And Stonecutter, are you ignoring me or what?

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'The Hell up, man. Totally different situation. Had we demanded the picture, it would have been fair... but airing it without permission... and they were just common soldiers with families? You're pathetic. -rep.

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Of course it's totally different situation :rolleyes: and you certainly have their permission eh?

Anyways, you still haven't answered me about how I humiliated myself.

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It is a different situation. By releasing the pictures it shows to the Iraqis that they are dead, and there is no need to worry about the regime coming back. It's necessary to show the Iraqis, who would be skeptical of anything the US says. It's not like showing random dead Iraqis.

However, this is against US policy. It's not consistant with what the US has done in the past, and I sure hope Washington is aware of the potential danger.

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That's funny... I can't sense a hint of sarcasm. There are different circumstances, but I'd never put you up to the task of attempting to realize the importance of circumstance. You're just one of many no-lifes that has heavy debates on politics that he has no intelligence of. As well, I dislike the way you attempt to make debates personal by continually adding in "you". Learn to generalize, or even better... get accurate information.


You like assuming, don't you? Y'know, can't spell assume without ass. You think because I said humility once in the same paragraph as your name, that I was directing the humility entirely toward you, and that absolutely none of the futility fell under your responsibility (haven't heard to make a comment about it)?

Out of disrespect for you, I'll choose to not point out the humility in this thread, and rather let you writhe in confusion and anxiety.



Well, that's my last post in this thread. The immaturity and ignorance thrown around shall desist.

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Resorting to personal insults, yhea, and you say I'm immature.
:lol: look at what you said: Had we demanded the picture, it would have been fair...

I got that phrase as "humility" was directed toward me and "futility" was directed towards gekko trying to "inform" me of US politics. Wasn't that it?

Why do you disrespect me? What have I done?

:rolleyes:

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That is a totally different situation.

And could we please have one conversation where people aren't flaming eachother?

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:wtf: Look closely the the last pages of this thread, and tell me who's flaming who.

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It wasn't directed towards you. Just in general.

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But he still shouldn't act innocent. :p