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Opinion has everything to do with the success of a movie. If a person enjoy's a movie, they'll watch it. If you enjoy a movie, then it's a good movie. Enjoyment is a matter of opinion... whether you enjoy it based on its plot, its graphics, its acting, or its atmosphere determines your opinion.

As for the bolded section of the quote, I'd say your opinion about the movie also helps you conclude how good the movie is. That's not a bad thing though... because that's what an opinion does, always. No-one can ever involve their opinion too much when discussing something as subjective as the success of a film or its direction.

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Yes, the movie was rushed in terms of mechanics. I do, however, feel that Neo's dull attitude was accurate as, before he was in the Matrix, he was simply a computer techie who did dirty work for some "associates". He was also looking up radical ideas online about a Matrix. Hmmm, I just don't think someone like Neo would be very animated under normal circumstances.

Judging a movie technically only goes so far. It's not mathematics... there is no answer; everything is based on opinion. I respect your opinion, but I also enjoyed the movie.

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i never said the movie wasnt successfull. hands down it will be a huge success as far as money goes.

and they prolly dont care about awards, so they will get exactly what they wanted out of the movie.

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Eww... this thread got ugly.

Null... Matrix, if you like it or not, will be rememberd as one of the greatest films of all time. Not only is there room for a billion side stories (like Star Wars), the story has no cut and dry meaning... it makes you think, and everybody gets somthing different out of the story. The fact that it has the biggest and best action sequences ever made and the fact that it appeals to a wide audience is just iceing on the cake.

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the first matrix. yes. will get remembered as one of the greats. i GARENTEE you, the 2nd and 3rd wont get remembered for such. maybe one of the most popular, but thats entirely differnt. One of the best action sequences, yes thats entirely possible too.

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I think in the third movie it got too religous...
It seemed like that was more of its purpose... there were a myriad of biblical refernces.. indeed, after I saw it, the people I went with all got together to discuss all the religous aspects of the movies... we were talking for over three hours.... I don't have the list of comparesons with me, however if anyone is interested, I can get the list... but it covers everything from the anti-christ, to the Jewish interprestaion of Zion, to the first may be last verse from the gospels, Anderson = son of man... Smith, by ALWAYS calling him Ms. Anderson acklowleged his position...etc.

Oh yeah, I loved it, but that may be because I was sitting one seat away from a GOURGOUS guy and saw reloaded first in an apartment with 8 guys and 2 oher girls... 6 of the 8 guys were gorgous... that may have contributed a bit to my love of the movie...

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I saw the movie last night with jonbo.. I liked it overall. it was a generally good movie I wasn't there to find all the answers even though I felt it left me a little high and dry it did answer alot of my questions. But I would like to see how the humans and machines end up. Like does zion finally come to the surface and start rebuilding a society with the machines ?

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Well Ace, actually completing the story wouldn't leave any more room to make even more increasingly bad movies and make even more money off of everyone's enjoyment of the first film. Plus, telling a story would take precious time away from those incredibly long battle scenes.

All hail the Wachowski brother!!! LORDS of the Hollywood sequel!!! Accolades to them and their self-indulgent merchantile "ART"!!!!

Everyone happy now?

I actually hope that this movie is a success. That way Warner Brothers can take the money from the profit and put it towards something of quality.

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what would you rather see then name a movie that is better than matrix ?

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When the first Matrix came out, I wasn't a huge fan... it was 'ok'... Then eventually I took a liking to it... Then reloaded came out, and it was just kinda eehh ok... now Revolutions... And it's just eehhhh....

Stuff was cheesey, stuff took too long, stuff was boring...

And I really hate kung fu battles... They seem so out of place in the matrix, and they're so boring to watch... I also don't like the flying (same with reloaded)...

And don't you think they could have come up with something more original than a giant talking face? Does everything have to be so big and flashy? Why couldn't a normal robot come down and talk to him? Nooo it had to be a giant talking face made up of many robots...

The End...

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Simply put, that would be retarded, lol. Plus, it would be too "simple" for a machine. I don't know, I'm just making stuff up, lol.

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I made a list of 20 of them in an earlier post on this thread.

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And the talking face wasn't? We weren't the only ones in the theaters laughing and wondering "What the fudge?" when the face came together...

And when I say a normal robot, I don't mean one of the sentinals (that's what they're called right?), it could just be some other big important looking robot... Just not the giant face! Anything but the giant face! NNNOOOOOOOOO!!!

Also I think about 3 hours could have been cut from Trinity's death scene...

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While very funny looking and quite possibly cliché, I can find the purpose of its use. The AI was programmed by humans... Even though the one that talked to Neo wasn't necessarily directly programmed by humans, human thought would still have a large influence on its design. Why would a robot programmed by humans try to think up a new way of communicating with humans? Also, the robots are a bit like bees. Either a core controls the masses, or they're just that damn coordinated due to their mechanical perfection. In the real world, the computers didn't make any androids that I know of... so the only way they could have human physical movement is to take the masses and mock the movement, similarly to what happened in the battle. All the little bots were working together, or were all commanded together just to form a face.


Heheh... despite the fact that it's the most practical form of melee combat? Weaponry obviously wouldn't help very much against the super elitists of the Matrix (agents and Neo)... as the bullets could be dodged. Instead, manipulation of one's body is the best form to hit a target and inflict pain.

As for the flying... err, what exactly is the problem? The graphics? I assume it your problem isn't with the legitimacy of flying being used in the Matrix, as it's obvious that if one could disobey gravity, what is to keep them down. Flying is much more mobile than staying on the ground.

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If the machines only had Windows XP they could Ctrl+Alt+Delete just look for process smith end it and not have to worry about him messing up the matrix.
then the humans would have been doomed because neo going up there would have done nothin.

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The only problem with that idea is that the computers probably know the percent failure rate when performing CTRL ALT DLT to end a program... and damn is it ever high. My computer just can't take it.

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man, what happened to Norton Antivirus 2666??

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And? As the great Maddox said about "Reloaded"...
Though I like big confusing storylines sometimes (silent hill), and making every little detail make sense even though 99.9% of people who see a movie wouldn't think through that far (if they didn't fly in the movie, I doubt many people would be wondering 'So if they can do this and that, why couldn't they FLY!?') could be a plus, the facts stand:

a. The face made me laugh
b. Kung Fu bores me (at least it did in The Matrix)
c. I thought the flying looked stupid (and yeeesss it was possible in the maaatrix and blaaah de blah I had no problem with that)

and to add another thing, the final fight between Neo and Smith was bleh... Not only was it just crazy camera angles and crazy grr I will rip your face off, but it was also crappy flying (and they spun around each other a billion times) and they did that damn run into each other and have the rain go WOOSH like 4 times... It was as bad as The Reloaded fight with all the Smiths where he beat them all then more came and I was like "Oh look, more" then even MORE came and I was like "aaaaaand moving on..."

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HA!!!!

I was right!!!!!!

in the predictions that i made all of them i was right!!!

the religious part and everything and all the things i was right

cool

well i was a little dissapointed with the ending but the movie was good

man the ending had no point to it

it just reminded me that i had to slap my sister on top of her head for bothering me during the movie *(thanks little indian girl)*

the fight scene when neo and smith fight in the air was kinda stupid

my friend told me that it was badass and it just sucked *(Dragonball Z my ass)*

hahahahahahahahhaah

i love being right

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ya....other than a few well placed kicks by seraph, there was very little kung fu in this movie..... that kinda disappointed me....air battels can't replace good old fashioned crazy kung fu

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As far as the giant face goes, who was talking? Did the voice of the giant face belong to the leader of the machines? Do the machines even have a leader? If so, who is it?

Also, when Agent Smith "infects" Neo and turns him into a Agent Smith copy, is it Neo that summons the power to destroy Agent Smith as well as all his copies, or do the machines (or the leader machine if there is one) send power through Neo's real body to destroy Smith and all his copies?

And... are there currently any plans for a fourth movie because I want to know if Neo is dead?

Also, I still don't understand how Agent Smith transferred himself into the real world in that other guy's body who was in a coma as well.

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I saw it and I loved it.
I was expecting a dissapointment but didn't get one. Cool ending too... I think. :D

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Do you seriously think that you are the only person on the planet that compared religion to the Matrix? I mean, come on, that is truly pathetic. Run a search through Yahoo! and you find tons of sites about Matrix Philosophy and Matrix Religions.

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Ok here are some more thoughts.

They used a lot of crap to 'fill' the movie. The train guy had nothing to do with the story. The Merovigian or whatever he's called was boring (although his wife is pretty ;)).
Same with the keymaker in Reloaded. :confused:

I liked the ending.... NO it's not like when they started in The Matrix and NO Neo couldn't have just picked the other door.

The most important thing in the 6th matrix is Agent Smith, not Neo. Neo was just 'part of the system, another form of control'.
If Smith wouldn't have been there like a virus, Neo couldn't have made the deal with the machines. Then Zion would have been destroyed without any free people left.

I thought that the Oracle or the Architect had given the little girl (name again?) the job to let the sun rise. Like the Oracle says in Reloaded, they have a program to let the sun rise.
Smith probably took over a lot of those programs and thus was able to control the rain and stuff.

The last fight scene was SOOOOO Dragon Ball Z! :rolleyes: It could have been Goku - Freeza or something...
It's probably a tribute to DBZ.

And with 'peace', I don't see humans work together with machines... More like "Ok we won't kill you, but WE still rule the earth!"

About the acting: Neo wasn't supposed to be very emotional! He was perfect, he was just the shy guy that had received the role of 'the One' kinda unwillingly.

I agree that I didn't feel THAT bad for Trin... they coulda made it more dramatic. But it's better this way, she knew Neo wasn't coming back anyway.

Hugo Weaving was a bit TOO over the top at times... like when he just took over the Oracle... :unsure: :p

All in all we're just ano... I mean all in all it's a good movie, the end of a good trilogy. :D

*looks forward to november 20 (TTT EE DVD)

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The train guy and "Merovingian" are quite important. The trainstation is similar to limbo, or purgatory. Neo was sent there for some reason when he manipulated the system and disabled squiddy. By pressuring the Merovingian was Trinity able to free him from the first level of Hell... bwuahahah. *looks around*

And considering how Agent Smith is comparable to the Anti-Christ, I wouldn't say he was ever "over the top". He was one step away from complete control over every body in the Matrix... and nothing was in his way, the Oracle was just sitting there.

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*bump*

Angrist, those guys were all relevant to the movie. The train maker was responcible for creating the station that links the real world to the matrix. Had he not built it, Neo would have been in a coma for the entire third movie and for the rest of his life.

The Keymaker was also relevant because he's programmed to make keys for all the doors. Some doors can't be opened without keys no matter how strong or powerful you are.

Neo is just as important, as it's stated, they're opposite, equal forces. If Neo hadn't been there, then Agent Smith would have no opposing force to "balance the equation." So he would've destroyed both the real world and machine world and that would have been the end of everything.

Perhaps but I don't think so. Neo and the Machine made an agreement to live in peace if he destroyed Agent Smith and the Machines will keep their word. Remember the scene at the end:

Oracle: Are you going to let the ones free that want to be free?

Man: Of course I am going to let them. What do you think I am, human?

What you're suggesting is a choice that could only be made by a human (or a corrupt file I suppose). But machines don't betray or break promises like that.

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Do you guys realize that a part of Neo is still inside the matrix at all times? I dunno, I thought more people would catch this. Neo can see anything outside the matrix that is still connected to or controled by the matrix in some way.

That's why he could see the "orange code" outside the matrix after being blinded, and that is why he could manipulate things outside of the matrix.

If you didn't understand what I just said, think of it like this:

Neo's mind is both in the real world and in the matrix at the same time, the matrix may have some sort of simulation program that tells the agents where all of the machines are on the outside. Neo can see this simulation program in the real world, and by using his powers from within the matrix and destroying somthing in the simulation he is destroying somthing in the real world.

proof that what he can see isn't 100% accturate and could be in a simulation is the part where he is in a ship with trinity and a machine flew into his body.

It's stupid because the Oracle half way explains this in the game, and half way in the movie. I hope this helps you out Crash.

The part in the train station is important, but it doesn't make any sense. Neo hacked his mind in to the wrong place...

I must say that Revolutions is definently a movie for the hardcore matrix fan. People who took the time to watch the animatrix, beat the game and have a complete grip on reloaded's story (in a litteral sense not with metaphors) couldn't have been dissapointed. But I can easilly imagine someone who didn't get the full understanding of the war (with Animatrix) and someone who didn't get that one-on-one time with Niobe and Ghost not liking the movie.

I mean, The chase scene where Niobe was piloting the ship was very special to me, and seeing Ghost on the guns taking out so much so fast was cool too. People who played the game already knew what happend to Neo, and where the Logos was and how it got there.

The Animatrix just reveals that the humans are the bad guys in this situation, and it explains what happend to the sky. Seeing them get over the clouds was a special part to me too.

But I feel that the Wachowskis kind of forced us to get into a lot more than the acctual movies to understand the story, and even after all of that you have to think way too hard to get a grip on what happend. That is why I feel that the majority of people who aren't hardcore matrix won't be attracted by the story.

My opinion is that this is one of the all time great stories, and one of the all time best films, but like all trillogies, you have to have a grasp on everything to love it. Matrix made me think, and showed me somthing more amazing than any movie I have ever seen. It won't be everybody's favorite, but it's mine.

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*decides to see the Animatrix and play the game*

Ok the trainman is more important than I thought. It gives a new dimension to the tale, but it lacks the 'wow'-factor that we got in TM and TM Reloaded.
So if programs can go outside the matrix, what form would they take? A machine? Probably, as Agent Smith also stated that he wanted to get out of the Matrix.

Why do you think Smith was destroyed? I've heard a few theories:

• Because Neo is Smith's counterpart, the balance eachother. Once Neo is gone, Smith dissapears.
• The purpose of Smith was to destroy Neo. After he did that, he self-deletes (seems unlikely because they talk about Smith destroying both worlds and stuff)
• Once Neo is taken over, the machine upload an antivirus into Smith. Why they couldn't do that with a normal plugged in person... perhaps they had to upload it to the strongest one.

The first 2 seem a bit uncredible, because then Neo wouldn't have had to fight at all... You also see some kind of flux going through Neo's body..

Hehe, the more I think about it, the more I like it. ^^

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I think that the reason Smith died when he took over Neo was because of how they were related. Smith had a part of Neo in him the whole time. That is why he was Neo's opposite and why he became so powerful. Once he was able to take over Neo, Neo had a part of Smith in him. I think that somehow, Neo was able to take a little bit of control of every Smith through himself and self-delete his code since he was now integrated into Smith.

That would explain why it had to be Neo that would stop him, but it still doesn't quite make sense why he had to fight. He could have just given in and then killed him. Perhaps he had to show persistance in order to maintain some control of himself in order to delete Smith, or else he would have been permanently controled and Smith would have won.

Also, in Mythology, who is the guy who leads people to hell? I think that person is equivalent to the Trainman. The Merovingian may be equivalent to Satan, and thats why he controls the trainman.

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I think Neo fought because he wasn't quite sure he had the ability to mess with Smith from the inside. Then again... I wonder how he thought it was possible to beat all of the Smiths one-by-one (Even if the first, the Oracle, was the strongest) in hand-to-hand combat.

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By Neo just giving in to Smith Smith could have predicted that this whole fight was a trick. Oracle let Smith see what she wanted him to see to lure him into fighting Neo.

It would be nice if the game (Matrix Online) answers some questions like Enter the Matrix did.

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Anyone ever notice that NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN ANY OF THE FIGHTS!!!!!!!!


No one ever "wins" a battle. There's 90 billion sentinals, how many did the Zionists kill? Was there ever a chance of them killing all of them?

And in reloaded, did any of the Agent Smiths die? they just keep coming, why did Neo even have to fight them at all if he was just going to fly away?

When I actually sit and watch the movies, I love them, because actually being infront of the screen I can turn my brain off, but when I sit back and think about them, they all go to hell.

I've got to say, the part were Neo punches Smith at the very end, and you see the imprint of his fist on his face, that might be the coolest special effect I've ever seen.

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I think that was the part of the movie that made me laugh the most...

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Oh, well, I agree that it's completly over the top and corny (to the point where it's almost as if the movie is parodying itself) I still was impressed by the effect.

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Yeah I was like: :rolleyes:
I hated it when Neo didn't finish those Smiths off... They just kept coming back. :distress:

The weren't gonna kill all the squiddies, they were gonna die.

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me too

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There was about 250 000 sentinels and no, the humans didn't have a chance. If it wasn't for Neo and the deal he made with the machines, the sentinels would have wiped them all out.

We'll he didn't know how many there was in the beginning and was probably curious to understand what was happening, when there was too many smith to fight, he just escaped.

Maybe because you don't understand? Anyways it makes perfect sense to me. (maybe not 100%, but a good 95%)