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I just realized how much I love this board. Man, this is a fantastic debate going on here and I doubt I would be able to find it anywhere else.

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I'm sure you'd find one that's twice as good elsewhere.

I don't really care about your president. :unsure:

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Hate to break it to your conservative asses, but my professors regardless of how conservative they are, have NOTHING to do with my political observations.

Oh yeah, and as for writing editorials for the NYTimes, yeah, at least that way I could garentee them being read. At any rate, I hate higher asperations. And Gekko, get over your self... at least Geiko can save you money on car insurence, you're just obnoxious. Don't talk about my professors, and for goodness sake, stop blasting Democrats, of which I am not one, for the record, come up with something factual...instead of being a hypocrite and just blasting others.


back to the topic...

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I was going to leave this whole thing alone, but then I read this.


Ok, if you believe that, you're a moron.

I don't mean that as a Flame. I mean that an actual fact.


Dean is the Anti-Bush, he's the most liberal candidate in almost half a century to have a legitimate shot at winning his party's nomination, which he will do.


He also has a legit shot at winning the presidency, despite what Fox News may be telling you.

And here's why.

Political Scientist *read: People not named Kitana* used to say that our country is 40/40/20. 40% of the population, if they were to vote, would always vote democratic, 40% always republican and 20% would be the swing. Most everyone agrees that the divide is now 45/45/10.

It is for this exact reason, that Dean has the only shot among the dems of knocking off Bush.

Al Gore tried to be Clinton politically. Technically (and politically, meaning platform wise) Gore = Clinton-Penis, but as a politician, and as a person, he did not appeal to the moderates as well as Clinton did (and as well as bush did/does) but Gore still went for the swing vote first. Gore did little or nothing about the democratic base. He didn't target the people that voted for Clinton, he just assumed that he would win their votes, but as republicans love to point out, 2000 was a great year for the republican party and minority voters/women (relatively.) The republicans beat the dems at their own game in 2000.

Dean isn't going to appeal to many moderates (of the 10% swing, he'll be lucky to get 3%) but he will (if he plays his cards right) appeal to the base. Dean needs people pissed at bush. He needs the fury that the democratic party displayed right after the decision in Florida. Democrats don't need moderates to vote for them to win the election, they just need democrats. Lots and lots of them. Because the republicans are the party in power, their political base is content right now with the way things are and will be more apathetic towards the process. If Dean can get enough of the base behind him, he can win.

I don't have illusions of grandeur. I know Dean's a huge underdog. But if he plays his cards perfectly, he can beat Bush in November, and he's the only democrat who can.


Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing. Before Bond does his George McGovern dance. Remember that the McGovern Vs Nixon election was the first election after the voting age was lowered to 18, and McGovern was the candidate of the Hippies....... who didn't vote. McGovern didn't win the base, which is exactly my point. Hippies=Lazy drug infested bums who make a bad political base. Dean needs people who are pissed off, not finding god in a field after an acid trip.

There are plenty of people pissed at bush in this country, dean needs all of their votes, and he needs to cultivate more of them.

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Dean will lose the election by a landslide for one basic reason:

When given the choice between Bush or Dean, many democrats that supported Kerry, Gephardt and Lieberman will NOT vote for Dean as they'll consider Bush the lesser of two evils in these times. Also, Dean will get NO republican crossover vote, like a more MODERATE democrat would and Clinton did during his first campaign.

Dean scares the crap out of a lot of democrats too, not just republicans.

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Dean can still win the democratic base.


Remember, EVERYONE who voted for Gore was pissed off after the 2000 election. Gore won the popular vote. Dean needs to bring back the fire.


He's also got the unions behind him, which will bring a lot of moderate votes over in the end.

He also has Jesse Jackson Jr.

What he really needs a good VP candidate to balance the ticket. That's how he's going to get his moderate votes. But there are enough liberal votes out there to win, if he plays his cards right. Obviously he won't win without the moderates, but he can win without the swing votes.


And remind enough of the yuppie republicans how badly Bush ****ed up the war, how they're all still flower children at heart, and you will get some crossover. Sure, the backbone of the republican party (evangelical Christians, old farts and racists,) won't vote for dean under any circumstance, but the trendy republican youth can be swayed to Dean.

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If you honestly believe any of this (I don't even know when to begin with some of what you said), you are truly kidding yourslef and are a PERFECT example of why Dean is winning the Democratic nomination. In the end all these arguments are meaningless until the election. All I'll say for now is we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Then maybe the dems will begin to realize that they are killing their own party by swinging far left.