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Yes, I do know why. Let's look it up in a dictionary.
mir·a·cle
n.
An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).


If their bones are here, then they obviously existed.

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Riddle me this then.

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How many immaculate conceptions?
ZERO.

And your point is?

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Typhoid, you are seriously out of your depth here. By your statements you do not have a working knowledge of religion and you aren't sounding very intelligent right now. Don't take this as an attack, I'm just trying to help you out here so you can maybe do some damage control.

Here's where your flaw lies...

You're arguing science against faith. Faith defies science, so there is no point in arguing between the two. You're arguing about sperm, which is a pretty mundane subject when faith tells you that the ethereal being GOD came down and conceived a child on Earth with a mortal woman. Translation: No sperm is needed, as he's FRIGGIN' GOD. If you can create the universe in seven days, you can knock up a chick without banging her.

Therefore, to a person of faith, your arguements are downright silly and have little to do with anything.

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Bah I hate it when religions downgrade the bible. :mad:

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Eh, Typhoid, are you saying the God that created the universe we live in and the science you keep referring to can't produce an immaculate conception?

BTW, I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason it had to be immaculate was because Jesus needed to be perfect. Men are sinners by nature therefore Jesus couldn't come from the seed of man.

EDIT: What religions say dinosaurs never existed??

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It's The Dúnadan!!!! Nice to see you! :D

Off topic: I'm the only 'old' Tolkien fan left here! :baby:

Do you really think people would have bought it when they saw that those writers exaggerated the stories about Jesus?? What's told in the bible, really happened there. And what about all the prophecies about him??
It's not easy to deny that Jesus was the promised messiah.. ;)

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The Bible was not written at the time of Jesus. The stories could have been and probably were changed throughout the decades. I dont think it was written until about 60 years after his death, even more in some parts of the Bible.

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So? More reason for people to be critical, methinks.
And besides, I don't think that's true.
Only Luke (or Mark?) wrote his book quite some time later. Joan and Matthew wrote it pretty soon, as I remember it.
The Revelation was the last biblebook to be written, Joan wrote it, so it couldn't have been that much later. 60 years MAX.

And you forgot the prophecies part. :)

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Im not saying God created the universe. Where did I say i beleive in any god?

And the faith that says Dinosaurs never exist is Evangelist. Me and Keriann had many an argument over it.



Exactly.


And to me, a scientific person, religious arguments are silly and have little to do with anything.

Its all perception Strangler, and you like to constantly single me out other than the other side.
You forgot to mention that to a scientific person, religion is silly, but of course, you again, in so many words, say my points arnt valid.

But + reps for this time not saying its because im canadian.

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That's crazy how Angrist says Joan for John. Sweet.

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*cough* I could make a long ass post, but I'm not in the mood... Typhoid, mickey pretty much killed your arguement. I don't know why you just said "Exactly."

Just because a miricle happens once, it doesn't mean it has to happen again ever.

As for your faith in science... I just find it to be a bit more likely that somone created us than any other explanation I have heard. :)

"Translation: No sperm is needed, as he's FRIGGIN' GOD. If you can create the universe in seven days, you can knock up a chick without banging her."

Hehe, that was funny :p

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Ah ok! :p In Dutch it's Johannes. And Matheüs, Lukas, Markus. :D

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It's funny how religious people use the term faith when referring to science. We believe in what science has to offer. We don't blindly think it's the truth, we base our judgement on experiences and proofs. And since we deduct it's the most reasonnable explaination, the closest thing to the truth, then we go with it.

It's probably not right on, but it sure seems a lot more logical than anything any religions can come up with.

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well, couple things... revalations was not the last book in the bible to be written, it just happens to be last in the bible. yes, the books of the new testament were not written until some 60-80 years after the events actually happened. The stories were passed down the generations by word of mouth, so some stuff had to have been outta proportion and exaggerated.

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No no I'm sure there are enough proofs that Mathew and John wrote their own books... they were THERE with Jesus all the time.

And you STILL haven't explained the prophecies. :p

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About dinosaur fossils:

Most people don't realize that in terms of numbers of fossils 95% of the fossil record consists of shallow marine organisms such as corals and shellfish. Within the remaining 5%, 95% are all the algae and plant/tree fossils, including the vegetation that now makes up the trillions of tonnes of coal, and all the other invertebrate fossils including the insects. Thus the vertebrates (fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals) together make up very little of the fossil record -- in fact, 5% of 5%, which is a mere 0.25% of the entire fossil record. So comparatively speaking there are very, very few amphibian, reptile, bird and mammal fossils, yet so much is often made of them. For example, the number of dinosaur skeletons in all the world's museums (both public and university) totals only about 2,100. Furthermore, of this 0.25% of the fossil record which is vertebrates, only 1% of that 0.25% (or 0.0025%) are vertebrate fossils that consist of more than a single bone! For example, there's only one Stegosaurus skull that has been found, and many of the horse species are each represented by only one specimen of one tooth!


More fun facts about Dinosaurs and the bible, here!
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum...rue#Post597754

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If you don't know somthing is the truth, you don't know it is the truth, period. What one calls the "Logical closest thing to the truth" could be completly wrong... you chose to believe its the closest thing to the truth because of your faith in science. :p

The only thing a person knows for a fact is their own feelings and emotions. After that there is no facts. Its all what you chose to believe. If it isn't a fact, and you believe it without constantly questioning it, you have faith...

In my opinion, "based on judgement on experiences and proofs", I think it is more logical that there is a god. In your opinion, you think that it isn't logical... You can't prove me wrong, nor can you prove you are right. Just like I can't prove you are wrong and can't prove that I am right. The only person that matters in this situation is me though... I have proven to myself that it is right. (And if I told you how chances are you wouldn't believe me.)

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I'd like to hear.

Typhoid,why are you getting all bent out of shape? I don't get it.

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Uhm.. Matthew and John were not with Jesus. Matthew and John wrote the Bible well after Jesus's death. They were born after Jesus died (they were not one of the 12 disciples if thats what you think). It is obvious that people exaggerated stories. People back then were stupid.

No offense Canyarion, but I was taught this in school, and yes I go to a Catholic school, and last Religous class I had one of the best and smartest teachers I've ever known. I'd take his word over yours any day.

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Typhoid, if you're arguing about Jesus, for the sake of argument, we must assume their is a God.

Crono, the Bible is a compilation of books. These books were written all througout history. This includes before, DURING, and after Jesus' death.

SUPER EDIT: Crono I just saw your post about Matthew and John not being alive in Jesus' lifetime or even being his disciples. Where in the world did you get this info??? I dont' know what Bible you've been reading about but this information is extremely incorrect. And where do you get these ideas that the stories were exaggerated and that people back then were a bunch of dummies??

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Through life experience and praying. I'd rather not go into details.

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I know that. But the Bible has also been through many translations and such since it was officially put together. It was first written in Greek I think, and then on to Latin. It was bound to have been altered from what really happened.

There are just so many possible ways that the Bible events we read about do not tell what really happened.

As far as I know, no one was following Jesus around with a pen and paper. In fact they didn't even have paper back then.

And the books that were written before Jesus' birth are hardly believable at all. Besides, that's old testament, it's mainly Jewish stuff.

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I doubt it would be altered all that much. But there is no way to know unless you had a time machine. :p

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The Gospel writers weren't his disciples. I mean, they didn't write their own books. And I think the author of Luke and Acts was a Roman guy, not a disciple. I am quite sure of this. Seeing as the books weren't even written until 60 years after Jesus' death.

Where do I get these ideas? Do you really think a story would be the same after 2000 years?
Yes, paper was considered a luxury. Did the average Joe have paper? No.

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Er..what. they didn't have paper??? You really need to quit making things up. And the transcribing and translating of the Bible was done with such extreme precision and care that you should really research it sometime.

EDIT: Found a little quote for you.

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Where did you find that?

Think about before the bible was written when many things were still being passed on by word of mouth. Would these stories not have changed then? Maybe not in an extreme way, but they could have been changed regardless.

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What about the separation of church and state?












(And in no way am i saying women arnt equal.)

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Crono, I have to believe that Mathew and John weren't Jesus' disciples, just because your teacher said so? :rolleyes:
Back it up man.

2000 years? Perhaps not. 60 years? Yes.

And IF you believe in God, don't you thnk that he would make sure the bible is correct? Being a God that can't lie and stuff???

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God can't stop people from lying. It's all about the free will.

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But this is his holy book we're talking about. Of course he can make sure that only the right people got to write and copy his book.

Anyway....

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My teacher never said that. I said, or meant to say, they didn't write their own books. So how do we know the real authors wrote exactly what happened?

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*Clears throaght*


*Yells*


What about the separation of curch and state?

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What about it?

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And didnt god used to be vengeful? If you didnt obey hos every word you would be deemed a blasphemer and go straight to hell. How you had super strict rules to follow or yet again, you would go to hell. What about the Angels of Death, Bartleby and Loki.;) God sent them to do mass destructions and things, or whatever. Where are the other Angels of death I ask you.:p

Now hes everyones buddy. You confess all your sins in a booth to a preist or preacher or reverend, and your sins are free. If you feel you lead a good life, your in.

Something seems different to me.... :p


Just my opinion and thoughts though.


EDIT: I just noticed we are only talking about the God called "God". Not about any of the middle eastern religions. Or anything like that.

Thats why i dont believe in God. Because it seems to be geographcal. Depending on where you live, your god could be a toga-wearing bearded man, or an 8 armed elephant.

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Ooh. A religion thread.
I think I'm Daoist. I don't know what you call my religion.

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Middel Eastern and Western religions actually share the same God. Islam calls him Allah, we call him God. Many of the same prophets are shared and I believe (I'm not sure) Jesus is even considered a prophet in Islam.

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Yeah, Islam considers Jesus as a prophet.. Just not the son of God.

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Yep, Jesus is the most quoted Prophet in the Quran.