Re: What? No VP debate thread?
 

Game, there is no point to debating this any further. I look back on 30 years of fighting pork and trying to get a line item veto, and you look at one mis-statement. There is no amount of explanation I or McCain could give that could satisfy your unreasonable demands on McCain when it came to this bill, and your simply acting hawkish for Obama, IMO.

Once again, 30 years of fighting against something, and one vote in extraordinary circumstances negates it all for you. There is no point in arguing further.

By the way, Obama voted for the bill, but since he's never fought against pork it makes it somehow better or not worthy of mention? Thats like Obama supporters attacking Palin's experience and not recognizing Obama has about two seconds more, and less executive experience. And no, I don;t count campaigning as experience, thats rhetoric and tests your ability to be a politician, not a statesman.

The more I hear arguments against McCain and for Obama, the less I understand the logical leaps of faith taken on behalf of Barack.

We've seen two crisis during this election, and in both of them one candidate came out and led, for bettre or worse, and that was McCain during both Georgia and the economic crisis, while Obama was fine to sit in the background and let McCain take all the risks during an election while Obama filled empty space with the beautiful language of empty equivocation. One candidate has shown that they want to lead this nation, and the other has shown that they want to be President. I'll vote for the leader.

Re: What? No VP debate thread?
 

There's a little thing out there called setting expectations. If one fights against something for so long, then suddenly has a change of heart for one bill a month before they become president, its a bad thing, period. I'd just like Mccain to explain it in his own words why he did it. I have a fairly good idea why he did, but I just want him to say it.

As for dragging Obama in, if Obama was openly fighting against something and suddenly changed his mind (Or even acted against what he believed) mid September/October I'd be worried about him too. So I think tossing him in there is completly irrelevant. They both voted the same way, so there's no way to put them on opposite sides of the fence here, its just one happend to vote the way they expected and the other didn't.