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Typhoid, you just gotta get over it. Just because your perception of George Bush is a rich slob doesn't mean everyone thinks that or even that its true. There are a lot of ways to point the same kind of accusations at Kerry, but its over, and we all just need to get along and be happy. That's how unity begins, because you can be united as a people even in disagreement about views.

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A decisive victory for President Bush.

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You also cant have unity in a county devided by 2 political parties with such separate views.

And i wasnt saying my view of him is a rich slob. He is a rich slob. Do you think the president is scrounging quarters to get by? No. He was a rich daddy's boy before this too.

And yes, I even called Kerry a rich boy, or hinted towards it. But he doesnt play the "Im like all of you down south" card as much as Bush does.

And what do you mean "Let it go"?

I was staing my views on the American political system.

I didnt say 'This election was rigged" "this electionw as unfair" "Bush is Hitler" Or anything like that.

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To be fair he plays the "I'm like all of you on the east coast" card.

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wtf, Kerry lost?! But the man had three purple hearts! And what does Bush have? That's right, ZERO purple hearts. Obviously the majority of your country did not take this information into account when voting.

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But Bush has such a stront regiment in 9/11, and more terrorist attacks that are on the way, and the terror rainbow.


*Puts on tinfoil hat and slowly votes for Bush*

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Crono told me a long time ago that the only flaw with democracy is that it is ruled by the majority, and the majority of the people are stupid.

There has never been a finer display of this than now. I cannot believe Kerry lost. Me and my dad are extremely dissapointed. We had a mock election last week in school, and Bush won it by two votes, and I hoped it wasn't a bad omen.

Today when I got to school there were a BUNCH of people celebrating because Bush was ahead. Every time I said I was for Kerry there would be a few people look at me with disgust. I asked them why they were so strongely supportive of Bush. I KNEW what they would say. I KNEW exactly what they would tell me, and that's why I ask. What did everyone say?

"He's against the queers!"

I gave them hell for that. I dont feel like I really need to exlplain why. But I will anyway. I simly replied, "Well, if your side wins, and Bush is re-elected, and he DOES make gay marriage illegal, what then? How did that help you any at all? How did you benefit from it? Maybe instead of paying attention to this big "major" issue that the media is feeding you, you should actually look into what he stands for. If you're still with him, then I'll respect you."

I am willing to bet that 90% of the people in Kentucky that voted for Bush voted for him because he was against Gay marriage.

I dont mind Bush supporters. I just hate the fact that my state is so incredibly stupid.

Against the gays are they? If someone was dumb enough to still be arguing against me at that point I played off of what I knew they did that was considered a "sin". All this "anti gay" supporters liked to preach to me that God damned some guy in the bible to hell for being homosexual. So I just replied, "Have you ever lied? Been jealous? Had premarital sex? If you have, then you are on the same level as homosexuals in God's eyes, because a sin is a sin, and if you want the bible to dictate our laws, then ALL of that has to be illegal."

I just wanted to vent that.

I'm so dissapointed. All this bad media Bush has gotten over the past four years. I dont want to see any more of it. None. America elected him.

At least I can vote in the next election.

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They don't know any better. I also suspect, however, that calling terrorism the primary issue was a smoke screen to hide their true reasons for voting which were based on fear and misunderstanding.

Don't lose faith, Bush's election is a temporary setback. The democrats will live to fight another day.

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Now that the election is over, will Neo and Blackmane be returning to their respective Fortresses of Solitude? It was sure nice to have you guys posting here again even if most of it was in here.

I was really hopeful that John Kerry would win and now I'm quite sad. My first voting was supposed to be a magical one, where the candidate I chose would win, instead it will be remembered as one of defeat.

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The funny part is... people don't understand that so many people in this country are so strongly against Gay Marriage (aka imorrality justified by law) that they would vote against somone who supports it for that reason alone. Its funny how pop culture and TV feeds this to kids every day like its 'normal' and acceptable, yet when there is an actual vote on it nearly everyone is against it. I'm positive this will change in 10-20 years, but for now that's just how it is. And trying to be a key player in trying to change it now will only gets your a foot in the rear.

Kerry being for gay marriage wasn't the only factor that made me vote for Bush (though it could be for somone else, god bless america), but it was a clear factor. To me what Kerry stood for was simply wrong. He was a guy who would set his own beliefs aside for votes (and if he is a christian that believes Gay marriage and Stem Cell [sp?] recearch is ok that makes him look even worse in my book). He double talked so much that right now I couldn't even say how he would handle the war in Iraq.

Kerry never earned my trust, or my respect. Call me stupid all you want Vampyr. ;)

Even if Kerry would have won, there would be no reason to bitch about it. Bush is our president, the plublic has spoken, accept it, move on, and hope for the best.

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It's hard for me no to lose faith. The Democrats lost even more ground in this election. We keep a republican president, and he is going to get the opportunity to elect 3 or 4 more conservative republican Justices to the supreme court, and I think there are even more Republicans in the house and senate than there were before the election.

We are in a bad spot right now. Hopefully the democrats can pull off something spectacular in the coming elections.

And I understand what you are saying Game...I just feel that religion doesnt have a place in our laws and government. Government governs society, religion should govern your life, if you are a religious person at all.

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Kerry wasn't for gay marriage. He thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. He just didn't think the Constitution needed to be amended for that purpose. He was considering civil unions.

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I don't understand why peopel are so against gay marriage or gay people in general in the first place. What exactly is it about what they're doing that is so wrong?

And hell, they're people too. Don't they deserve the same rights we enjoy.

I think it's only closed minded people that gay bash. And it truly makes me sad to see so much intolerence and hatred. I judge someone on whether or not they're a good person, not who the have sex with or marry.

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Just so you know...

POLICY TOWARD SAME-SEX COUPLES

Legally Marry (25%)
Civil Unions (35%)
No Legal Recognition (37%)

These are the percentages of everyone that voted on Tuesday. And while only a quarter think that Gays should be married, it is at least somewhat encouraging that about 60% want some kind of legal recognition. It isn't 100% as it should be, but it's honestly not as bad as I thought...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../epolls.0.html

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Gay relations shouldnt be a problem, but meh, whatever.

Check this out. Try to save the pic of Bush and Wife to see what the file name is :D .

And

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I was hoping for a Kerry win but I'm gonna deal with 4 more years of job loss and Bush even taking our deficit deeper for stupid ass reasons. It's becoming hell in the Government because now Republicans control/have a majority in the Senate, Congress, and the White House. Kind of eery/scary.

But as for people against gay marriage. They can go to hell and burn for all I care. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us. I call this issue the new form of racism. It's not by definition racism but I look at it as that. Who gives a **** about moral issues on this. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Attempt to disagree with me and I'll be back in this thread, rest assuredly.

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUWAHAAHAHA!! And that's on CNN? :D

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*disagrees*






What can I say? I'm curious.

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Lol, who knows? I think I will stick around, although the most fun I have had on these forums is debating these politics or, before I got a little educated, watching the debates. But no, I should be around.

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I think homosexuality is a matter of religion, so the government should allow it, but religion should pay more attention to it.

I'm against same sex marriages, but not more than being against adultery or lying..

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A cornered animal is the most dangerous kind. This forced re-evaluation within the democratic party will do wonders for them. They need to learn to be strong again and not give the appearance of weakness. Their desire to foster good will abroad is admirable and probably the best thing for us, but the American people don't want to hear that **** when they're pissed off at terrorists. Democrats also have to tap in to the religious base. The far left may feel slighted but they'll soon realize they have no choice. This may cause the Naders and Badnariks to get more votes but it shouldn't be too significant.

I believe senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas would be an excellent candidate. She has a history of appealing to the moderate base and she represents the south. Plus her last name "Lincoln" creates a subtle association with the previous Lincoln. That may sound stupid but it's how the human mind works.

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I'm for gay marriage, but just calling those that are against it stupid or saying they can burn in hell isn't going to help the left's cause. In fact, its the push to the left on social issues that led to Bush getting the lead that he did.

Gay marriage along with other social issues are extremely important to those in the bible belt, as is reflected in the way that the gay marriage referendums were SOUNDLY defeated, often by an 80% majority.

These are people that the democratic party must work with if they want to succeed. There is no if ands or buts about it. If you ignore them or rankle them you will lose... every time.

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I don't really care if gay marriage is legalized or not. But, I'm sorry, I just couldn't stand seeing two men kiss in public (two women would be ok... but I would be seriously upset to see two guys). As long as they do what they want to do (kiss, hold hands in public... whatever) when I'm not around, then I don't really care.

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Yeah....not a valid enough argument for me to say anything else.

And Strangler. I know its not good to say they can burn in hell. But thats just my feeling towards it. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us then in their sexual preference.

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I'm not saying they are different. I'm not saying I agree with the fact that most people in the bible belt are hotly aganst gay marriage. What I'm saying is that those people VOTE. If you don't open the lines of communication with them or attempt comprimise with them, you'll lose every election.

They're not going away, but the democratic seats in Congress might be if they don't start coming back to the middle and recognizing some of these social/moral issues.

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Some people are in prison now for their 'different' sexual prefrences. And it was in situations where they both wanted to have sex, both understood what sex is, and both understand what marriage is... and in some cases would have married each other if there wasn't already a law against it.

The question here is about where we draw the line between freedom and what is immoral. I'm not saying two adult men getting married is any worse than a 45 year old and a 15 year old getting married, but it does point us in the direction of more freedom that isn't moral.

Think about TV... went from being able to say crap, to bitch, to ****, and soon enough we'll be hearing the F word on TV that kids have access to. You can see the difference in how people dress on TV too... I'm sure a time will come where a certain amount of nudity will be allowed (compared to the 60's we are past that :P), and it will progressivly get worse and worse. (I think an old epidsode of the simpsons put it best, they were in the future and Fox had hardcore porn on lol)

In my opinion, if you want to be gay, be gay, but don't expect it to be protected by the law any time soon. I think it will be eventually, but I also think this country is going straight to hell. :D

And I'm not going to lie, I'm not Jesus myself... I do immoral things, but still, i recognize its immoral, and shouldn't be protectable by law, and I'd vote against others doing it.

Also, sorry for butchering the thread ;)

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I completley agree. And what do religious people do more often than others? BREED. Yes, so their kids will be raised in a similar environment, and will more than likely to vote and believe the same things as well. So not only will this issue not go away, the people who do believe are being constantly outnumbered and will continue to be. The Democrats really need to reach out to these people somehow, even if it means giving up thier own beliefs I guess...That's politics.

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I agree.

But, this is their country just like it is ours. We all decide what happens here. If a Democrat wants to make it back in office, they have to drop support for what the majority of their followers don't support.

If they support it regardless of what the majority of the population thinks, they are not going to get put in office in the first place. Its common sense. Democrats better hope Bush does an AWFUL job in the next 4 years, because the fact of the matter is: as long as they continue to fight for what us as americans don't want, they won't ever win.

Its going to take some very poor preformance on the part of repliblicans or democrats becoming more conservative before we will see another democratic president. Orrrr the young vote turn out is going to have to get bigger, and they have to be wildly different from the older generations. (As you pointed out, won't likely be the case.)

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Wait...so your telling me that to gain votes I have to change my view on same-sex marriage and say it should be outlawed? Sorry but I'm not doing that if I became a politician.

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Jon personally, I wouldn't vote for you. You just don't look like a trustworth fellow.. Lose the beard cut the hair and maybe.. :)

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^ You mean part it from the left? ;)

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Wait wait wait.... I just discovered something stunning.... perhaps some people already noticed: ACE1965 AND ACEBOT44 ARE DIFFERENT MEMBERS!!! :wtf:

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1) You didnt know that?
2) Thanks for sharing.
3) You spelled his name wrong.

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New Forum now?

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1) I think he's kidding.
2) Shut up.

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1) I know
2) Why is it always you...the person who is my friend...telling me to shut up before anyone else?





































:p

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I like telling people to shut up. It's nice and blunt.

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We've got ourselves a regular Bill O'Reilly over here... :unsure:

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Pssst...I was kidding/covering my tracks for giving Typhoid a hard time.

I do give him a hard time...because I care.

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Awwwww,.......muffin.


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