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DarkMaster 01-26-2010 03:32 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Biotic fucking charge. Vanguard is pretty badass.

Vampyr 01-26-2010 03:40 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
I think I am going to do Vanguard as well.

Fox 6 01-26-2010 04:56 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
I have it in my bag, it's mocking me.

"Play me ! Play me!" it says.


It's going to be a long day.

Combine 017 01-26-2010 08:24 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
I havnt gotten very far but sooooooooo awesome!

The Normandy crash site made me sad. :(

Fox 6 01-26-2010 08:39 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Combine 017 (Post 262538)
I havnt gotten very far but sooooooooo awesome!

The Normandy crash site made me sad. :(

Dear god spoiler that shit! Or get a Mod or Bond to do it!

Combine 017 01-26-2010 11:15 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
The DLC is called Normandy Crash Site, im only saying that DLC made me said.
And im pretty sure everyone knows that it gets crashed.
Its been show multiple times over in vids. :p

Fox 6 01-27-2010 12:17 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Some people may not want to watch or read any spoilers at all. Its just courtesy.

Ginkasa 01-27-2010 01:10 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 262547)
Some people may not want to watch or read any spoilers at all. Its just courtesy.


If you're so unwilling to avoid spoilers of something that

1) Was a major part of the ad campaign since the very very beginning and
2) Take place in the first 5 minutes of the game


You should stay out threads about the game. I mean, yeah, its one thing if someone spoiled the ending or a real plot twist. This is basic info, though.

Fox 6 01-27-2010 02:06 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ginkasa (Post 262549)
If you're so unwilling to avoid spoilers of something that

1) Was a major part of the ad campaign since the very very beginning and
2) Take place in the first 5 minutes of the game


You should stay out threads about the game. I mean, yeah, its one thing if someone spoiled the ending or a real plot twist. This is basic info, though.

I dont care about it, hell I've posted half the Videos in this thread, but just for anyone that wanted to be spoiler free. Dont see why you are bothered with with putting a spoiler tag to block out text, just a few characters extra to type.

For someone so willing to tell me what to do you should have:

1) read the whole thread to get your facts
2) dont make assumptions
3) realized that as people progressed spoilers could become a distinct possibility, trying to get people to label spoilers now is only logical


I was trying to courteous and thoughtful of others who may or may not of cared, but apparently that just didnt fly with you for some reason.

Bond 01-27-2010 02:17 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
I edited the thread title to indicate there are possible spoilers starting on page 6.

Combine 017 01-27-2010 03:47 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 262550)
I dont care about it, hell I've posted half the Videos in this thread, but just for anyone that wanted to be spoiler free. Dont see why you are bothered with with putting a spoiler tag to block out text, just a few characters extra to type.

Then spoiler tags your vids, and ill spoiler tag saying that the DLC was saddening.
I mean, you posted the launch trailer, and that actually shows The Normandy being blown up. One can assume that its wreck ended up somewhere, and its cool that they actually let you go to it.
Theres not much of a point warning people its a spoiler when the developer tells you what happens before the game is even out.

Professor S 01-27-2010 09:41 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
ANYWAY...

So far the game is amazing. I've played it for about 8 hours and I only have gotten Garris, Grunt and Mordun Solace on my team. There is just so much game here.

The game look and plays beautifully. The animations are 1,000 times better than the first, and there are times when the textures and detail blow me away, Garrus in particular. The streamlined combat is much more "fast twitch" and intense than the first but there is still ample opportunity to plan and strategize.

A few very minor complaints: The RPG elements were both turned down and cranked up. Here is what I mean. In traditional RPGs you are essentially a team manager. You decide pretty much everything about your crew. In ME2, this is toned down a bit to streamline the gameplay, but they've cranked up the charaters and your personal investment in the game. I can't imagine playing this game without having imported my ME1 Shepherd. It would be a completely different experience.

The last may be miscontrued as a spoiler, even though it isn't, so I'll tag it. But for me this is a major complaint.

Scanning planets for minerals is FUCKING TEDIOUS. I know they wanted to eliminate the exploration of barren worlds, but I'd much rather explore a barren world and get a sense of the desolation of space than spend 10-15 minutes scanning a damn planet for Element Zero so I can upgrade my stupid guns. I can't fathom why BioWare would make the decision to go with this method of resource gathering. They've streamlined every other aspect of the game and why they would choose to make something so unrelated to the story so awfully boring I have no idea. It completely takes me out of the game. I HATE IT, but I have to do it even if I want to upgrade my god damn scanner. ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!

Combine 017 01-27-2010 10:34 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
You hate it? Personally I think its pretty cool. Its easy to do and only takes me about 5 mins, but i kind of cheat when doing it. I dont hold down LT the entire time slowly going about, I just tap it for a sec, see if I get a reading then move up along the axis and do it across the entire planet. I also only scan the readings if they are really high, unless they are Eezo, that shit is hard to come by. :p

Also, that free DLC is up now today.
And, I switched to the second disc last night, now im wondering if ill ever switch back to the first one again or if I just keep playing on the second, cause I dont want to really install both of them to my HD.

Fox 6 01-27-2010 11:39 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Combine 017 (Post 262557)
Then spoiler tags your vids, and ill spoiler tag saying that the DLC was saddening.
I mean, you posted the launch trailer, and that actually shows The Normandy being blown up. One can assume that its wreck ended up somewhere, and its cool that they actually let you go to it.
Theres not much of a point warning people its a spoiler when the developer tells you what happens before the game is even out.

If you're pressing the button you should be prepared for spoilers. It's been that way for a long long time.


Also whats the second disc for anyways?

DarkMaster 01-27-2010 12:14 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
The scanning is terrible, I'll admit. I'd much rather explore a near desolate planet than do this. Exploration in general seems to be toned down, and that's the main reason I play RPGs. And there's no real reward for exploring main areas either, pretty much everything you find just gives you a few credits, big deal. I also hate waiting til the end of a mission to get experience...

I know this is a great game for what it is, and a major improvement over the first game in many ways, but I'm really disappointed in the way they dumbed down things. The inventory/loot mechanics of the first game are pretty broken if you look at them now, but rather than improve upon those aspects they just decided to remove them entirely. Rather than make exploration more interesting and rewarding, they removed it.

We have enough third-person shooters out there already, the combat needed major improvements but not at the expense of reduced RPG elements, those are what should've been focused on. Having just played Uncharted 2, the third-person shooting controls aren't even anywhere near as streamlined or intuitive as that, so in turn we have a game that's trying to be as good as other games from a combat perspective, but in many ways is completely missing out on what made it different and much more special than those other games in the first place.

Still awesomely cinematic and highly enjoyable overall, though. Just breaks my role-playing gamers heart.

Combine 017 01-27-2010 07:52 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
I dont know what the second disk is for really, i havnt been playing for that long, and even then, ive been doing a lot of exploring. I thought the second disk would have come in later on but I dont think ill be switching back to the first one again anytime soon.

DarkMaster 01-27-2010 09:52 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
I just switched to the second disc. Apparently you'll switch back and forth at least once.

Fox 6 01-28-2010 12:16 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Game is nothing short of amazing. Loved the whole mission where you get Archangel.........


I also bought a "Space Hamster"!

Vampyr 01-28-2010 04:22 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkMaster (Post 262569)
The scanning is terrible, I'll admit. I'd much rather explore a near desolate planet than do this. Exploration in general seems to be toned down, and that's the main reason I play RPGs. And there's no real reward for exploring main areas either, pretty much everything you find just gives you a few credits, big deal. I also hate waiting til the end of a mission to get experience...

I know this is a great game for what it is, and a major improvement over the first game in many ways, but I'm really disappointed in the way they dumbed down things. The inventory/loot mechanics of the first game are pretty broken if you look at them now, but rather than improve upon those aspects they just decided to remove them entirely. Rather than make exploration more interesting and rewarding, they removed it.

We have enough third-person shooters out there already, the combat needed major improvements but not at the expense of reduced RPG elements, those are what should've been focused on. Having just played Uncharted 2, the third-person shooting controls aren't even anywhere near as streamlined or intuitive as that, so in turn we have a game that's trying to be as good as other games from a combat perspective, but in many ways is completely missing out on what made it different and much more special than those other games in the first place.

Still awesomely cinematic and highly enjoyable overall, though. Just breaks my role-playing gamers heart.

While I agree with you to some extent, isn't the entire point of a role playing game to "play a role"? To that end, Mass Effect 2 does this better than possibly any other game in existence, with all of the dialog trees and choices.

We've lost some of the typical RPG elements, but I don't feel like those elements are what define an RPG.

Combine 017 01-30-2010 11:42 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Epic.

Fox 6 01-31-2010 01:08 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
"You're working too hard."

Also all you scanner whiners should just suck it up because I just got my hand on a nuclear weapon

BreakABone 01-31-2010 04:41 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 262729)
"You're working too hard."

Also all you scanner whiners should just suck it up because I just got my hand on a nuclear weapon

I got that weapon as well, but it still doesn't justify scanning. I just learned to listen to music/watch youtube while scanning. Its tedious and boring. And I've ran into like 6-7 side missions so far, which isn't even that great of a %.

Anyhow, beat the game, clocked in a little around 30 hours. The game was good, but some parts such as the scanning and The Terminator end-boss and the really loose plot left a sour taste in my mouth.

And not much of a negative/positive, but this is probably the loosest use of an RPG I've ever played. Listening to a podcast, they summed it up nicely, "Gears of War with dialogue trees."

Good game though. Really enjoyable.

Fox 6 01-31-2010 07:49 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
just beat it......... speechless. What a game. Simply amazing.


Big ending spoilers

I loved the game, so awesome. The only thing i didnt like was losing 2 members. I lost Mordin whom i sent through the tube. Then I lost Zaeed leading the distraction group the second time you had to choose who you wanted. There is a way to let everyone live, there is an achievement for it. Anyone else have any better luck?

BreakABone 01-31-2010 08:32 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 262743)
just beat it......... speechless. What a game. Simply amazing.


Big ending spoilers

I loved the game, so awesome. The only thing i didnt like was losing 2 members. I lost Mordin whom i sent through the tube. Then I lost Zaeed leading the distraction group the second time you had to choose who you wanted. There is a way to let everyone live, there is an achievement for it. Anyone else have any better luck?

I only lost one member, Thane who I sent through the pipes,
I had Samara lead the second team.

Then had her use the biotics and Jacob to escort the crew back to the ship

Fox 6 02-01-2010 01:14 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
By the way, if anyone wants to buy a Dr.Pepper with the EA Mass Effect promotional in game armor and give me a code I would be thankful.

Ginkasa 02-01-2010 02:06 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
I'm dumb and can't figure out how to highlight with black, so scroll down for SPOILERS.




























I beat it without killing anyone. You just have to be smart with your choices at the end. I had Tali go through the pipes, Garrus lead both teams, Jack do the biotic bubble, and Grunt escort the surviving crew members.

DarkMaster 02-01-2010 03:25 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Alright so some of this is kind of spoilery I guess, not really though, but maybe don't read unless you're a decent ways into the game. Can't believe I've beat it in a week, I never play through games this long in such a short time, but because I rented it I played it a hell of a lot. Also because it was awesome.


Just wanted to lend some overall thoughts on the game. I tried to think of the game before playing it as an RPG in a more traditional sense, like Dragon Age, because that's what I thought they'd be doing with the game. Turns out it wasn't, so while it's not what I initially expected, it was still an excellent experience. A damn good length for this type of game and lots of things to do.

I don't think much needs to be said on why the game is good, I'll just offer a few complaints I had.

The scanning. I've no doubt in my mind that they're going to axe this for the third game. Not in any way enjoyable. I like the idea of searching for minerals, but this is not a fun way to do it. I'm also less motivated to play through the game again because there's no way I'd spend any time scanning and thus lose out on upgrades.

Kind of too many squad members to be honest. I'm not sure who to axe, definitely not Mordin, but the Krogan for instance was basically a much less interesting Wrex and seemed to be there purely to fill an arbitrary role of a Krogan squad member. The game was more about recruiting people then going through a central plotline, not necessarily a bad thing, just wanted more core story I guess.

And on the subject of squad members, my main complaint with ME1's story was that the crew members didn't really talk to each other, outside of Shepard talking to them. They're all loners isolated in their own parts of the ship. The same can be said for ME2, and that's a little disappointing.

My one last kinda upset with the game was that the choices I made in the first game weren't really that important to shaping much in this one. Aside from whether or not to save the council, not much was really impacting on the story. For instance, the decision whether or not to save the Rachni race seemed completely irrelevant, except for some random NPC who shows up in a city and says thank you for saving them. In fact there were a lot of NPCs who showed up in random places and were like "oh hi remember me, you chose not to kill me on that research lab" and it's like, oh okay, good to see you? Who cares.

Overall awesome, though. Yeah.

dropCGCF 02-03-2010 06:27 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
WHAT A GAME.
I'm not normally one for RPGs, and I didn't want to have the same technical problems that I had in the first one (saved in an elevator, corrupted my game saves), but I loved this game.

Combine 017 02-03-2010 07:52 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Why would you save in an elevator?

Fox 6 02-04-2010 02:35 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkMaster (Post 262772)
For instance, the decision whether or not to save the Rachni race seemed completely irrelevant, except for some random NPC who shows up in a city and says thank you for saving them.


I just got to this part on my second play through



She carrys the queens message that she is thankful for your aid and that when you need help she'll come to your aid, so maybe the Rachni will show up in the third game?

Sounded like that anyways. If they dont ill be pretty pissed

dropCGCF 02-05-2010 07:41 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Combine 017 (Post 262896)
Why would you save in an elevator?

unfortunately, it was an auto-save- and it wasn't just me.

http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopi...3782&forum=124

Fox 6 02-08-2010 11:16 PM

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Fox 6 02-09-2010 01:46 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
There is new free DLC available now. Its a new shot gun and Cerberus assault armor.

Vampyr 02-09-2010 06:49 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
The new armor is pretty awesome looking, IMO.

DarkMaster 02-09-2010 11:46 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
So you just download armor and that's it, you have it? No quest to complete to obtain it? Can't say I agree with such a method.

Fox 6 02-10-2010 01:12 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkMaster (Post 263220)
So you just download armor and that's it, you have it? No quest to complete to obtain it? Can't say I agree with such a method.

The illusive man said that the cerberus armor techs wanted to give it to you. I dont have a problem with that. After all it is CERBERUS armor, why should you have to go on a quest for something that they have in inventory? anyways it's not really that special stat wise, dont see what the big deal is.

Professor S 02-10-2010 12:29 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkMaster (Post 263220)
So you just download armor and that's it, you have it? No quest to complete to obtain it? Can't say I agree with such a method.

I think the timing of the release was to increase the repayability of the game. Once you beat the game once, you get all kinds of bonuses for the second time around. Good strategy.

Fox 6 02-10-2010 09:36 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Just beat it through on the second play through!

I got everyone to live also! If you are curious how I got it, just ask me

Obvious to say that I'm all Mass Effected out right now. I'll probably pick it back up in a few months.

I still want to see the ending where

everyone dies, including Shepard

All in all, what an experience!

DarkMaster 02-10-2010 11:54 PM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
You can see that ending on youtube. Although apparently it's not canon, as in you won't be able to continue with your save file in ME3 if you get that ending.

Fox 6 02-11-2010 12:06 AM

Re: Mass Effect 2 *Possible Spoilers (starting page 6)*
 
Well i figure its one thing to watch it, another to experience it.


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