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The preview for the next issue of PSM (that was in the latest issue of PSM that I got yesterday) said they have a big sequel shocker that's going to be their cover game next month...

Maybe the big news is that RE4 isn't exclusive anymore ;)

It's probably something more like Ico 2 or something, but hey I can add to the mountain of hype and speculation can't I?

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And you do that in Metroid Prime too- quite a bit, actually.Read Crash's response regarding this. Metroid's story is actually more complex than Halo's- you just have to read everything to know all the details.

Just because the game doesn't hold your hand thru the game with an obvious reason to continue, doesn't mean the story doesn't exist- you are a DETECTIVE in Metroid Prime, much like the traditional series, and that's what it's all about.

Perhaps you are looking for the wrong thing here.There is no "first level" in Metroid Prime, the ENTIRE GAME runs from beginning to end with hardly any cutscene breaks (and no level loads).

Kind of unfair statement there. How about comparing The Maw to the entirety of Phazon Mines thru Ridley and Impact Crater?

Somehow an trying to kill an Index bot (no matter how annoying he was) wasn't as fullfilling as taking on 4 HUGE bosses, but that's just me...;)

-Official Ninja of EXP

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Yeah, But level design not just as in going in and then back (which is boring but understandable). Yet most levels repeat the same room design or maybe some slight differences, on the way in (i.e. pillar of autumn, the library, the control room). You do go back through levels of Metroid Prime 2. But at least all the rooms are different.

The plot twist in Halo does spark a little interest, but then it dies down till The Maw.

BUT, back on topic, a person who went to the capcom event has given some info to Gamefront.de on some details (YET TO BE CONFIRMED):

EDIT: And metroid prime has a great reason to play from the gate: Samus hears a distress beacon on a Zebesian outpost orbiting Tallon IV. It has been overtaken by space pirates and she sees Ridley and knows trouble is about. She chases him down to Tallon IV and learns that space pirates are using phazon to create a super army that will control the universe.

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Hehe I REALLY hope that info is true! :D Sounds great!

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Sounds nifty... Though a couple of those aren't even knew to the series...

I'm curious as to who the other characters from other RE games are... I'll bet Sherry is one of them...

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Yeah, and Matrix's plot is more complex than lord of the rings.... *raises eyebrow*

If you didn't notice, most games that are of that genre (Action/Adventure/FPS) that get high marks either allow a big amount of freedom, or is story driven... imo metriod is neither. Metriod is gameplay driven.

But like I said, I'm not trying to turn it into a Halo vs Metriod thread. They are two different genres, the main point I was making is that Halo (alongside MANY other games) gave me a stronger drive to play than Metriod.

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I gotta admit that even though MP's story is cool, it doesn't actually DRIVE you to play.
Then again, I don't know many games that do have such a story. :unsure: Usually I just wanna play on because the gameplay is so much fun! :D

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thanks for the support ;)

any RPG is a perfect example of a story drive game. But I'm not talking about somthing that hard... even if it is a light weight drive to play. Zelda:OoT, for example, had an extremely basic story, but there was just enough to the story to give every part of the game purpose...

I dunno, Metriod could be taken that way too, to the guy who likes to download crap all day.

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*thinks of the Kazaa userbase*

No wonder Metroid Prime sold so well...;)

At any rate, this is clearly a matter of opinion. IMO, I think Halo's "oh, all hell's breaking loose and we gotta get out" story is less engaging, because "all hell breaks out" all the time in Halo AND Metroid Prime, but Metroid Prime is MORE than just that...

For instance, in Halo you slowly find out the purpose of Halo, and the purpose/intent of the index construct.

In Metroid Prime, you slowly find out YOUR PURPOSE, who you are, WHO THE ENEMY IS, how they and yourself came to be, along with the universe and the first case of the "poision" (originally known as twin tabula).

In Halo, there is no lengthy elaboration on how the Spartan IV suit works (as the Space Pirate techs speculate on Samus' suit). There is no encounter of those who know why you exist. There is no detailed information about Halo's "end boss".

Then again, I'd say they're both the same in the sense that the Space Pirates and Covenant both wind up biting off more than they can chew by visiting alien planets they have no business invading...

I wonder who'd win in a face off; Metroids, or Flood? Both can kick Master Chief or Samus' ass in great numbers.;)

-Official Ninja of EXP

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I kinda agree that the story is kinda second to gameplay in Metroid. Its basically like this in every game, but even more so in metroid. Then again I might just be thinking that because the gameplay in PRIME was the best since OOT. Not that the story was bad though.

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Well you gotta remember that it's hard to both give Metroid a cool story AND keep the same feel of the game.

Cause if you need more story, you probably need more characters. And that's impossible for Samus, since she HAS TO BE ALONE to keep it a Metroid game.

I think Retro Studios did a great job with the story. :D

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Metriod Prime sold well?!?! Or are you being sarcastic?

You are right though, it is a matter of opinion... so I'll let you take the last word here because it won't go anywhere ;)

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I don't think it is a matter of opinion. At last count it was the 38'th best selling game of this generation with 1,068,328 copies sold.

So yes, it did sell well, even if you didn't like it.

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Interesting you say that... the 2nd highest rated game this generation got 38th on the sales charts. ( http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrank...pleratings.asp)

(if you don't want to count GTA: DP, it's the highest rated game)

Not to mention it was given away for free with GCN for a period of time (and I hope there weren't too many crazy enough to pick Mario Party or RE over it, which would make Metroid look even worse)... that's a big dissapointment if you ask me.

I mean, at least 36 lower rated games outsold it... :eek:

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Your arguement is relative. Regardless of it not selling as nearly as well as it should have, it still sold well.

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(I knew we would argue again one day ;))

That depends on what you mean by selling well. I mean, if Michael Jackson sales one million CDs it's a huge dissapointment... but if I sell one million CDs out of my undergroungd label (which I don't have :p) it would be a huge success.

In other words, it may have 'sold well' to be a Game in general, but it didn't sell well to be a game that got such high marks.

I mean, to be the out-right best rated game this generation (cept for GTA:DP), that is a big dissapointment.

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I dont think The game's arguement holds up. Saying a game didnt sell as well as it "should have" is kinda stupid in my mind. Whos to say how well a game should or shouldnt sell? I mean theres plenty of other very high rated games on any platform that just wont sell very well because the General Public dosent pay attention to ratings. And it works the other way too. A game like the Matrix shouldnt have sold near as well is it did. It was a crappy game. But because of that oh so popular matrix liscense, it sold through the roof. Besides that Nintendo's brand names just dont have quite the influence they used to. A million copies is still a helluva lot any way you look at it. Dont know why im arguing over this though. Anyone whos played it(and has any real taste at all in games) will know its a great game.

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I could have sworn that I read somewhere that the RE games aren't going to be exclusive anymore. I dunno though.

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They only had a deal for the remake, RE0, and RE4... So past RE4 they were never supposed to be exclusive, but there have been rumors that not even RE4 will be exclusive, though Capcom has denied those rumors, I think...

But companies always deny or don't comment on rumors...

But I doubt RE4 will be on PS2... Maybe the surprise sequel is RE5 which they're working on before RE4 even comes out ;)

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Metriod is the highest, not just high... plus it was being given away for free. Also, Metriod is a huge licence in the gaming industry.

Also, according to your logic I have no tastes in games because it took me giving Metriod 3 chances for that game to make me crack a smile. I rented it... PURCHASED it (free with GCN... and I completly dispised this game. I rented it again, got a little farter in (forced myself to, because I still hate the first section of the game) then I started to enjoy it.

I believe that anybody who liked Metriod forced themselves to platy further, and the game didn't automatically draw the person in. The only reason I gave metriod that many chances is because of the rating... if I didn't pay attention to ratings I would have blown that game off as crap very fast.

With that said, I don't think that it had dissapointing sales, I think it's just simply over-rated. I accept it as one of two things, a high rated game with disapointing sales, or a over rated game with good sales.

Oh, and on a side note, you can't use my logic in reverse with a game like Matrix. The sales don't set the bar for how good the game should be, the game sets the bar for how good the sales should be. It's a good thing for something to preform past it's expectations, it's a bad thing for great work (if you see it as that) to go un-noticed.

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*whispers to Game......psssst, when talking about taste, best not to mention a game like matrix :D


;) on a side note, we're not getting into an argument with that game now, im just messin with ya.

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i had to force myself to play final fantasy 7 for two hours before enjoying it.... it is now my favorite game of all time. i like games like that, at first you dont like playing em cause they are different, but then later you realize that different is sooo much better than being the same as everything else.

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I had never played a metroid game prior to metroid prime, nor do I hold scores in high regard. The game instantly enthralled me. I just got stuck, and I try not to use guides, but I gave in.

Though, I think not having a Metroid game in years was a large result of less sales, not to mention Japan never really jumped on the metroid boat. Nintendo's games just dont sell as much as last gen. Zelda OOT sold 7+ million last gen, mario 64 sold 9+ million. Yet this gen, both have sold 2+ million (each, not combined).

The number of systems in comparison to N64 at an equal time in both console's life spans is still similar. The attach rate must be less, or they must be buying more 3rd party games (somewhat bitter-sweet)

in reply to RE4 exclusiveness, the deal ends after RE4 (at least if no new deal is made). Now, just cause the deal ends doesnt mean the exclusiveness ends. RE4 will likely be exclusive for a good amount of time, but I easily see a port in some form later on. Killer 7, however, is supposedly going to be ported to PS2 also (though probably best if you can stick with the cube versiob).

in reply to MP low sales, yes, it is unfortunate that such a highly rated game be overlooked, when most, if not all other games in the top 10 for Gamerankings have done well on their own without a bundle. Hopefully, MP2 does better.

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japanese just plain dont like first person games... halo or metroid

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If it took you that long to like MP, then yes, you do have ****ty tastes in games, The game. And its not overrated.

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People who talk about ****ty tastes in games, movies, music, whatever are dumbasses...

It's just a fancy way of voicing your opinion, only this time it makes you sound more special...

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lol... not the first time I heard that one. But that's just your opinion. The way I see it, I shouldn't have to work to like a game. That's what metriod did and what FF7 did (props to Crash on the perfect example)

I just don't enjoy that... a game could be good, like both Metriod and FF7, and have me bored to death and confused at first. But I don't like that crap. A weak begining is enough alone to drop a game below a 9.0 in my review book. ;)

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Sorry for reviving this old thread.
You think it was indeed the new Zelda?? It HAS to be. :D

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I thought it was for Wind Waker II. :confused: