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No, Typh, apparently "home invasion" is defined as breaking into a home with intent for violence or rape, or that ends up in violence or rape. I say "apparently" because I just learned that myself. I don't think any of those stats pertain to that specifically.

But regardless, such things still happen in Vancouver and Canada. It may not be as common as in the U.S., but it's not exactly likely that it will happen to you in the U.S. either. So that you can't fathom it happening in Vantopia sounds like b.s. from pride. But I think your further comments confirm that's it's more about your opinion that you wouldn't own a gun to protect your home either way. Which I tend to agree with.

And good for Vancouver. I didn't know it was so well rated.

Buuuut... what do the native Americans up there think of that rating? :)

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Most of the Native Americans around here are drug dealers and gang members, at least the ones on the island as far as I know. Many a time have I been told not to talk to or go near any natives while visiting the island. :p

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I really don't understand why Typhoid won't answer my scenarios. I'm not even asking him to approve owning a gun, just to see if analyze whether or not the scenarios are reasonable if someone did have a gun and someone invaded their home.

To be honest, Typh, I think your avoiding the questions because you are uncomfortable with the obvious answer: "Yes, that is a reasonable response."

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I answered it.

If I haven't answered it to your liking, re-ask the scenario, and I will re-answer it.

Edit: And Mana, it's not 'bs about pride'. It's because I'm honestly not concerned about someone breaking into my house with intent to kill. Rob me of things, sure. But I'm not worried they'll have a gun. But the other half of that was tongue-in-cheek, if you didn't notice.

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This isn't a US presidential debate. You don't get to rewrite my questions because you find their premise uncomfortable. These scenarios have nothing to do with judging gun ownership, alarm systems or pet availability. They are specific situations where you have a gun and your home has been invaded. Would you behave as described in the scenarios or not? If not, how would you behave differently in those situations?

Either answer it or don't, it will be the last time I bring it up. To be honest, your refusal to respond to what are really simple scenarios tells me more than your answer ever could.

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Okay, I will answer it to your liking covering every possible angle, then:

If I was in a situation where I lived in a location where I was afraid enough for my families lives and well-being to the point where I needed to own a gun to shoot other people to keep them at bay, not only would I buy a handgun because it causes less collateral damage - and I won't want to miss what I'm aiming at and possibly blast through the wall behind them and hit my son our wife; is easier to store and less likely for my toddler son to get his hands on - but I would take every precaution needed to ensure I do not take another human beings life.


So if I lived in a shitty enough area where someone broke into my house with a gun with malicious intent and for some reason instead of buying an alarm system or moving to a safer location and I happened to own a gun instead of doing those two previous things, yes - I would defend myself and my family. But then after wards I would most likely either get to the realization of "Hey, this area isn't safe" or "You know what, I should buy an alarm system".

Dude, okay - if you were the one breaking into a house, with a gun - and you were to murder and rape a family - how would you do it.
I expect an answer to this simple, likely scenario. Afterall, understanding the enemy is everything.

It's not that I find the premise uncomfortable. It's that I was saying "Burglars don't really have guns here, so I don't fear that, so therefore I can't see where you're coming from based on experience, therefore I don't feel I personally need a gun to protect from home invasion." I even proved that statement was true. 1 in 7 burglaries in Canada are commited with guns. And in all of Canada, there were roughly 275,000 break-ins in total. And only about 125,000 happened in residences. It's like me asking you about how awesome and useful health care is. You're not going to change my opinion to the point of me saying "You know what, owning a gun around a child is a brilliant idea." Just like I don't assume you'll suddenly think health care is a brilliant idea. I've stated my opinion on guns. They are for hunting, and war. They should be illegal for all other purposes. This is why I love Canada. The system works, as proven by the 1 in 7 burglary numbers. And I have also stated that I would not buy a gun instead of buying an alarm system. I also wasn't the one to mention getting a dog - that was Dylan.

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Thanks for agreeing with me. :D

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Neat.
Back to the good 'ol Strangler days, I see.
It's a shame you don't actually answer anything directed at you, and only look for one thing to constantly jump on, negating everything else said of relevance.

It's a difference of opinion, and location which changes perception entirely. Be an adult and realize that.
While you believe in killing someone instead of preventing them from entering, I believing in stopping them from getting into the house so the situation doesn't arise in the first place.
Since I know you love the last word, get it in and enjoy the shit out of it.

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Canadian statistics don't have anything to do with those situations and are therefore irrelevant to my query.

Typhoid, I answered everything of relevance. I asked those scenarios after a lot of thought and reflection after hearing what you and Dyflon had to say. I wanted to workout realistic scenarios that would help me make the best, moral decisions if the unthinkable should ever happen, and I honestly asked for your opinion on them. I already stated I was buying a gun, I wanted to be sure my plans to operate it were within reason. As for "that will never happen" I did address them, and in fact that was one of the reasons why I made my scenarios so specific.

As for the "move somewhere else" argument, well that is an argument from a point of affluence and not necessity. There are plenty of people who live in statistically dangerous areas that cannot move, and in fact I would say the majority of people who live in dangerous areas can't afford to move (why would they be there to begin with?). In fact, I am one of those people who can't afford to move. I'm upside down on my house right now due to market drop. I couldn't sell my house if I did live in a violent area (I don't, but I live next to a violent area).

But again, moving was never a part of those scenarios. They were located in any house, anywhere. My specificity was meant to prevent the irrelevant alternatives you insisted on offering.

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Look, people, I am pro gun control. On a philosophical level, I would like to rid our society of guns altogether (although I'm practical enough to know that's not happening in this country).

But let's take a step back and really think here. Professor S owning a gun is not the problem here. The problem is too many guns being sold second-hand without any documentation and guns being sold to people who have been institutionalized multiple times and are off their meds. I say as long as Professor S promises to store his gun safely and as long as he's not posting videos on YouTube about how he wants to kill Nancy Pelosi, I say let him have his damn gun.

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I'd never kill Nancy Pelosi! Her very existence is an argument for conservatism. :D