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The Duggler 07-24-2003 09:17 AM

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Posted by One Winged Angel:

Well, thats all you are going to get from him. He can neverr give a better answer than that.
Well that sucks. I just want to have a good debates and LEARN. If I say such stupid things then I want to know what they are and why it's stupid. Also I liked his post about communism and I agree with what he said. This is a good debate, but calling people morons without any explication won't help it.

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Posted by Xantar:
Well, in all the debates about whether or not Iraq has any weapons of mass destruction, nobody has ever answered me this:

If Saddam Hussein didn't have any WMDs, why didn't he just comply with the weapons inspectors? Everybody agreed back then that Iraq was holding up investigations, being slow to comply with requests and generally acting like it had something to hide.

Why?
You have a good point Xantar, I would say that maybe Hussein like the majority of people on this planet, doesn't like to be told what to do and have other people getting their noses into his business. Now, I'm not saying that to defend Hussein or to say that he should have the right to WMDs, but it's not because the man wasn't very cooperative that it meant he was hiding something.
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Saddam Hussein knew that he couldn't possibly win a war with the U.S. and knew that if he dragged his feet, he'd have that very war on his hands. Saddam is a little crazy, but he's not stupid. If he wanted to stay in power and he didn't in fact have any WMD program, all he had to do was say, "Come on in! The door's wide open. I'll answer all your questions regarding WMDs. You can enter any lab you want. You'll see. We don't have anything."
I think that it's fair enough to say that Iraq was cooperating in the latest inspections.
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And that would have been that. You don't really think the U.S. would have gone to war with Iraq just to free some people who are having their human rights violated, do you? It's very sad, but the U.S. doesn't tend to stick out its neck like that.
Well, a lot of pro americans use that as an argument. Do they believe it? I don't know.

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Oh, and it's well known if you do a little research that the vast majority of oil Americans consume comes from either within the States or from Venezuela. That's right. We don't get much from the Middle East. Iraqi oil can affect worldwide prices, but not enough to make an unpopular war worthwhile. Bush had to know he'd be getting criticism every day that the war is going on. There are better ways to jump start the economy if that's what you really want to do.
Yes you're probably right, but it has to be a motive, even if not has important as the supposed threat of WMD.

Bond 07-24-2003 09:31 AM

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I find myself agreeing with Xantar?!
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Originally Posted by Xantar
*pops out of his trash can*

Well, in all the debates about whether or not Iraq has any weapons of mass destruction, nobody has ever answered me this:

If Saddam Hussein didn't have any WMDs, why didn't he just comply with the weapons inspectors? Everybody agreed back then that Iraq was holding up investigations, being slow to comply with requests and generally acting like it had something to hide.

Why?

Well, it could be for any number of reasons. Saddam is a very smart person, but he is also insane, which makes it very hard to know what he was trying to do. He must have anticipated that we would invade his country if he held up the investigations and did not produce the anthrax, chemical agents, etc. He also most likely knows that we would have lost a war with our alliance, and he did. But he's still insane, so who knows. He probably wanted to buy time to transport his chemical agents and/or non/conventional weapons to other countries and terrorist groups. What may have also happened is that during the time between the U.N. inspectors leaving and the US coming in he may have destroyed all of his weapons to look innocent.

Right now it appears he is trying to wage guerilla warfare on us, something he knows that will be moderately successful. But only until we capture or kill him...
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It's very sad, but the U.S. doesn't tend to stick out its neck like that.
What other country does more than the US in that regard? None.
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Oh, and it's well known if you do a little research that the vast majority of oil Americans consume comes from either within the States or from Venezuela. That's right. We don't get much from the Middle East. Iraqi oil can affect worldwide prices, but not enough to make an unpopular war worthwhile. Bush had to know he'd be getting criticism every day that the war is going on. There are better ways to jump-start the economy if that's what you really want to do.
That is very true. I viewed a graph recently showing an extremely small fraction of our oil comes from the Middle East, I may try to find it sometime. Also, if you think we invaded Iraq only for oil (you're very misinformed) but it was to stabilize the oil prices. That was only part of the reason.

gekko 07-24-2003 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter
91% said they were glad they served. Good point, THEY CAME BACK.

Well in that case, 74% say they would serve again not knowing the outcome. You may think what they did was pointless, but they knew what they were fighting for.

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I really want to know who said I didn't respect those who served.
You've said it, many times.

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all any protester wants is to get those people home as fast as possible so that fewer people die.
That's a load of bull****. Anyone who protests a war does not support the troops in any way.

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Evil when you're a millionaire and you're afraid that people who are starving might just want to take a little of that away so that they can live comfortably too, that's what communism is about right? Nobody starves.
Actually, communism goes against the very principles this country was founded on. The very things people have fought and died to protect for the last 227 years.

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Half a million or so people DEAD so that the upper 1% of americans can live without fear of revolution.
You'll upset a lot more than the top 1% by changing this country. I'll be dead before that ever happens. Oh, and Vietnam is 30 years old, say what you want, get the last word, but I'm getting back to the topic here with Iraq.

Moving on to Ranzid

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Originally Posted by Ranzid
Do I really need to posts links to show you that a lot of other countries are way worse than Iraq?

Actually, it would be better if you could do it without links. The reality is you're more or less unaware of the situation in other countries, in the same way you're unaware of the situation in the middle east. I'm just pointing out the fact that you can't hide the obvious here, and if you want to bring up a point, at least know something on it.

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I'll agree with you, it's probably good for their economy, but it's certainly good to yours, isn't
Actually, not really. Our economy would've been better off not spending all that money in the first place.

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I just want to have a good debates and LEARN
Actions speak louder than words. Last time I checked, you haven't learned a thing in months.

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I would say that maybe Hussein like the majority of people on this planet, doesn't like to be told what to do and have other people getting their noses into his business.
Except this isn't normal business. And he should be looking out for the interest of his people, and when you're on the brink of war, you should start telling the truth. Thing is, he had them, and he is a master at hiding them. Then we pull out inspectors for months of arguing, giving him a chance to permanently hide this stuff, if not move it. I don't think realistically he could've destroyed everything in that amount of time, but he can hide it, and make it almost impossible to find without human intelligence. Of course, the CIA is having its own problems and we have had horrible human intelligence in Iraq for some time. Now if you think Bush exagerated the threat of WMD, you can make a case for it, but there is no evidence of it at this time. If you think WMD don't exist, you're blind.

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Well, a lot of pro americans use that as an argument. Do they believe it? I don't know.
A lot of people, like myself, think it's a good enough reason to take out Saddam. While all the Democrats and anti-Bush people are trying to say that the WMD don't exist, a lot of people don't really care if we've found them now, or if we find them later. The world is a better place with Saddam gone, and hopefully Iraq can be used as an example for the rest of these countries. Iraq is nearing a revolt, the house of Saud is on its last days, and hopefully the region doesn't turn to ****, not like it isn't now.

Stonecutter 07-24-2003 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko


That's a load of bull****. Anyone who protests a war does not support the troops in any way.



And you've proved you know nothing.

That is so wrong, I don't even know where to begin.

gekko 07-24-2003 01:12 PM

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Well I'll help you begin. First off, you're an arrogant little asshole who has no respect for the very people who provide you with your freedom. Second, you don't know **** about what it means to serve your country. You're just a selfish little bitch who sit back and let's everyone else fight for you because you're too much of a coward to do it yourself, and to top it all off, you don't even give them a ****ing thank you. You think you know about war protests? You don't know jack ****. You've never spent a day in the shoes of those troops. You think you're supporting them? Bull****. Why don't you take your conceited self over to the nearest military base and ask them how much they enjoy your support. Better yet, why don't you go tell them how their lives are being wasted? Or don't you have the balls?

Bond 07-24-2003 01:20 PM

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If you would like to engage in an intelligent discussion that does not involve insults you may continue to post in this thread. If you would like to flame people, you may leave.

Bond 07-24-2003 01:35 PM

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By the way, here is proof our Government just released that Uday and Qusay are dead: (They aren't that bad, I'm sure you've seen worse in the movies)

Uday Before


Uday After


Qusay Before


Qusay After

Stonecutter 07-24-2003 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond
By the way, here is proof our Government just released that Uday and Qusay are dead: (They aren't that bad, I'm sure you've seen worse in the movies)

Uday


Qusay

DEAR GOD WE KILLED FRANKO HARRIS!

The Duggler 07-24-2003 01:46 PM

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And you all got your panties in a bunch when that Iraqis news network published pictures of dead US soldiers. Talk about double standards...

Stonecutter 07-24-2003 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko
Well I'll help you begin. First off, you're an arrogant little asshole who has no respect for the very people who provide you with your freedom.

That's your opinion, and it's incorrect. You're making an assumption, a rather offensive assumption.

Second, you don't know **** about what it means to serve your country. You're just a selfish little bitch who sit back and let's everyone else fight for you because you're too much of a coward to do it yourself, and to top it all off,

Thanks, I'll be the coward with two legs who didn't get tricked into blindly flowing the patriotic bull****.

you don't even give them a ****ing thank you.

The flag flying in front of my house, the time spent with my the veteran on my block like the time I actually said "thanks" to him. The time I spend with my dads best friend with a marine. Talk about not knowing ****, you're talking out of your ass

You think you know about war protests? You don't know jack ****.

How many war protests have you been too. Talk about knowing jack ****.

You've never spent a day in the shoes of those troops.

Holy ****ing ****! An accurate statement

You think you're supporting them? Bull****.

Well, I'd rather they not fight, and thus LIVE, you want them to die, that's you're decision

Why don't you take your conceited self over to the nearest military base and ask them how much they enjoy your support. Better yet, why don't you go tell them how their lives are being wasted? Or don't you have the balls?

Tell them how much they mean to me, how much I wish their leaders weren't throwing them into a conflict that they have no direct interest in. The lives of the 53,000 who died in vietnam were wasted because they were sent to die, when they could have lived

You think you support the troops, you don't have a clue. You support the war.

I support the troops.

You're just another warmonger. I hope you can find true lasting happyness in the glee you take from death and distruction.

The Duggler 07-24-2003 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko
Moving on to Ranzid

Actually, it would be better if you could do it without links. The reality is you're more or less unaware of the situation in other countries, in the same way you're unaware of the situation in the middle east. I'm just pointing out the fact that you can't hide the obvious here, and if you want to bring up a point, at least know something on it.

Actually, not really. Our economy would've been better off not spending all that money in the first place.

Actions speak louder than words. Last time I checked, you haven't learned a thing in months.

Except this isn't normal business. And he should be looking out for the interest of his people, and when you're on the brink of war, you should start telling the truth. Thing is, he had them, and he is a master at hiding them. Then we pull out inspectors for months of arguing, giving him a chance to permanently hide this stuff, if not move it. I don't think realistically he could've destroyed everything in that amount of time, but he can hide it, and make it almost impossible to find without human intelligence. Of course, the CIA is having its own problems and we have had horrible human intelligence in Iraq for some time. Now if you think Bush exagerated the threat of WMD, you can make a case for it, but there is no evidence of it at this time. If you think WMD don't exist, you're blind.

A lot of people, like myself, think it's a good enough reason to take out Saddam. While all the Democrats and anti-Bush people are trying to say that the WMD don't exist, a lot of people don't really care if we've found them now, or if we find them later. The world is a better place with Saddam gone, and hopefully Iraq can be used as an example for the rest of these countries. Iraq is nearing a revolt, the house of Saud is on its last days, and hopefully the region doesn't turn to ****, not like it isn't now.

So you only replied to what you wanted to? Where's the rest? Stop avoiding arguments.


And Stonecutter, are you ignoring me or what?

Rndm_Perfection 07-24-2003 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranzid
And you all got your panties in a bunch when that Iraqis news network published pictures of dead US soldiers. Talk about double standards...

'The Hell up, man. Totally different situation. Had we demanded the picture, it would have been fair... but airing it without permission... and they were just common soldiers with families? You're pathetic. -rep.

The Duggler 07-24-2003 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection
'The Hell up, man. Totally different situation. Had we demanded the picture, it would have been fair... but airing it without permission... and they were just common soldiers with families? You're pathetic. -rep.

Of course it's totally different situation :rolleyes: and you certainly have their permission eh?

Anyways, you still haven't answered me about how I humiliated myself.

gekko 07-24-2003 02:46 PM

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It is a different situation. By releasing the pictures it shows to the Iraqis that they are dead, and there is no need to worry about the regime coming back. It's necessary to show the Iraqis, who would be skeptical of anything the US says. It's not like showing random dead Iraqis.

However, this is against US policy. It's not consistant with what the US has done in the past, and I sure hope Washington is aware of the potential danger.

Rndm_Perfection 07-24-2003 02:50 PM

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Of course it's totally different situation and you certainly have their permission eh?

That's funny... I can't sense a hint of sarcasm. There are different circumstances, but I'd never put you up to the task of attempting to realize the importance of circumstance. You're just one of many no-lifes that has heavy debates on politics that he has no intelligence of. As well, I dislike the way you attempt to make debates personal by continually adding in "you". Learn to generalize, or even better... get accurate information.


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Originally Posted by Ranzid
Anyways, you still haven't answered me about how I humiliated myself.

You like assuming, don't you? Y'know, can't spell assume without ass. You think because I said humility once in the same paragraph as your name, that I was directing the humility entirely toward you, and that absolutely none of the futility fell under your responsibility (haven't heard to make a comment about it)?

Out of disrespect for you, I'll choose to not point out the humility in this thread, and rather let you writhe in confusion and anxiety.



Well, that's my last post in this thread. The immaturity and ignorance thrown around shall desist.


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