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Great way to eat dinner if you have someone to watch it with. 1:53:00 length. Lifting the Veil from S DN on Vimeo. About NDAA Section 1031. Remove wording that protects civil rights and then object to the lack of this protective language. |
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If this next election is Obama vs Romney... this is just sad. I'm not sure what Obama can even say next time he runs, he's already proven himself to be a liar and absolute failure. And Mick Romney is a proud corperatist (Obama's the closet one). Don't get me wrong, there's differences between Obama and Romney, but what they have in common is all bad for the country. I'm in Ron Paul's camp, even though I don't agree with him as much as I did with candidate Obama in 2008. President Obama lost his right to a second term in my book. |
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Just watched a video and thought it supported many of y feelings expressed in this thread:
Edit: This one is even better... |
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Good points in those videos. But Occupy wallstreet isn't a blanket call for regulation or deregulation, so I don't know what relevance this has with the thread. The real issue is that the government's incentive structure is set to bend to the will of giant corperations. So the second video is more on topic in that sense.
I guarantee if any type of deregulation happens it will also feed the large corperations and hurt competition and the quality/price of products too... because that's just how things are run here now. It's very rare that the government passes something that the big banks or giant corperations don't like and that's for the good of the consumers. |
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Examples: 1) Air travel - The "jet set" used to be a very real thing. Only the very wealthy could afford it. Also, companies like PanAm famously captured the regulatory marketplace and basically owned politicians. When air travel was deregulated in the late 70's more airlines came about, with more routes, and drastically reduced prices. All of this led to more choice for many more people. Air travel is now common for the middle class. 2) Telecommunications - "Ma Bell" was a very real thing as well. Local service was separate from long distance and you could only purchase a phone from the phone company. Not surprisingly, long distance was incredibly expensive (I remember when you had to pay per minute to call another state or even zip code) and the phones didn't advance in technology for 30 years. Once deregulation took place we went from a 30 pound tethered phones to mini-supercomputers in out pockets and calling long distance doesn't make us think twice. The reason why deregulation, when handled with a cudgel and not an exacto-knife, tends to work is that it separates the corporation from the government. Once separated, the corporation can no longer influence the government because the levers to do so no longer exist. It's like trying to drive a car with no gas. Now the corporation is beholden to the consumer, and the products and prices it creates, and they no longer have the luxury of a government that can force business their way. As bad as the worst corporation is, they still cannot FORCE you to buy anything unless the government makes you.* They actually have to engage in CAPITALISM. Shudder the thought... :D But I agree, we have to be vigilant in how "deregulation" happens. As pointed out in those videos, selective deregulation is as counterproductive and over-regulation. And yes, if you were wondering I am not longer ignoring you (on a trial basis) ;) *Example: The new healthcare law mandates or in much more impactful cases, intense EPA and OSHA over-regulation. Once of the biggest reasons why new housing in being pushed to either McMansions or large apartment complexes are the sheer number of mandated "safety" features that new construction builders must contend with. It simply is not profitable to build medium sized single famiy homes anymore. To make money, you have to "go big or go home". Meanwhile, these new homes have an average lifespan of about 30 years, if that, while my "dangerous" home built before regulations has been upright for almost 100 years and my parents' home is almost 140 years old. |
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Yup, we have to be clear about what deregulation is being pursued. It's a two way street. They clearly point out in the videos that corperations have a hand in their own regulations, but the fact remains that they have a hand in their own deregulations (not that any have been done on the federal level any time recently that I can think of).
The point of the occupy wallstreet movement is to draw attention to that hand getting stronger and the economy/people suffering as a result of it. |
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Alan Moore walks about occupy protestors.
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On regulation cronyism:
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=78...5B26FBB54FE025 This is the problem with America. The Queen mother insures that her nephews had raw milk delivered directly to them when they were studying at Oxford. The royal family is a huge supporter of holistic alternative medicine and agricultural reform that is directly counter to the American model of excessive production with the expense of soil erosion, depletion, and water contamination. Not to mention the health consequences that exponentially greater in children. The 25 minute mark of the video shows an incident where a police officer illegally detains a woman who was videotaping a traffic stop, from the front yard of her property. Getting charged with "obstructing government" is indicative of a huge shift in law enforcement training. Basically, we're screwed when it comes to civilian's accountability measures, which include observing and recording police actions within safe parameters. This is important because, while I don't think it's very good to dwell or obsess over police abuses of power, there are so many video recorded incidents that showcase a complete shift in law enforcement ideology. In Canada, mounties used to operate differently. We have a huge drug scene problem on the west coast, and it requires a unique approach to law enforcement. However, in regulation the civilian population is being persecuted in its ability to maintain freedoms and ensure our safety and proper discourse in matters of police policies and the protection of our rights. |
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Seth that video says a lot.
Eventually the government will be able to throw anyone in jail at will for any reason. Heck the NDAA basically allows that now. The whole internet crap (SOPA/PIPA) just gives them more things they can arrest you for. |
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