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Weeelll, what does everyone think about the first episode?

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Screw this. There is no "Game of Thrones season 2".

It's either "A Song of Ice and Fire season 2" or "A Clash of Kings".

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The TV show is in fact called Game of Thrones.

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I know I know.... I just mean it's stupid and illogical.

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Feels so good to be back in this world again. I do ask that you kind gentlemen use spoiler codes for anything book related no matter how small. I'm terrified to enter any discussion anywhere else about this show.

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Well everybody dies.

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I don't know - it's sort of all about that Throne, is it not. :confused:
Like a giant game...for the throne. A...game of thrones, if you will.




Anyways - good episode. Great episode.

One of my favourite parts was when Bran was out with _____, and ______ (I didn't read the books, so I'm bad with minor-character names), and there is the red comet above them, and Bran says what he anecdotally thinks it is, and the chick is all "Phfff, that's so preposterous. Some people also think it means Lannister Red. Your stable boys think it means blood. You're all stupid and illogical. What it really is, is Dragons."

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Good start, no one does endings like this show.

Also
"Knowledge is power."
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"Power is power"

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Calling the series Game of Thrones and not renaming each season to match the books makes perfect sense and would actually be completely asinine to change the name of what will be an established brand. Also the entire series of books up until the most recent 5th book is all about, quite literally, a game of thrones, and the term is really a metaphor for life in general, as well.

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And the phrase "Game of Thrones is used a few times in each book.

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And I guess A Song of Ice and Fire is too kiddy for the tough guys who think they know the universe.

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Has nothing to do with being kiddy, it's just an overly long and hard to remember (is "Ice" before or after "Fire")? And doesn't say anything at all about what the show is about.

Also using the phrase "a song" is more applicable to the written word than it is to film, in my opinion.

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And yet the Ice and Fire theme grows in each book, while the Game of Thrones grows less and less important. You can already see that in book 3 (which is the last one I read).

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To be fair Angrist, you're on book 3 of 7 - and you're saying:

You're not even halfway through the Universe.

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It's called BRANDING, people; creating a recognizable brand name that people can hang their hat on and HBO can further monetize through licensing and merchandizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand

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Yeah, its no different.. than the Twilight series which I believe all have different names, but keep Twilight so people know part of the saga.

And really.. who cares?

I mean changing the name wouldn't make a world of difference unless you are really really anal.

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Or True Blood when the books are called The Southern Vampire Mysteries or The Sookie Stackhouse Novels.

This is a fun game. I demand more!

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Episode 2 was released early on HBO Go in Poland, I have found it online and watched it. As a reader of the books, I thought it was fucking great. This is going to be an incredible season.

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I read 3 of the 5 available books. I decided not to touch the books before book 7 is (almost) done. I don't want to keep rereading the first books to refresh my memory every time a book comes out. And I'm too afraid that the guy will die before he finishes his series.

So my brother read book 4, he and others say that pretty much nothing important happens in it. So I think it's safe to say that I have read 3/4 of the currently known universe.
I'm not saying I fully know the universe, but I'll say that I know it better than all the new fans who've only seen the series season 1. (Except maybe for all the silly details.)

So did you read the books? Do you disagree with what I said, that it's more and more about Ice and Fire and less about the Game of Thrones?

At least the Twilight series keeps using the book titles as subtitles.
I honestly have no idea so I have to ask: does A Game of Thrones season 2 have the subtitle "A Clash of Kings"?

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I haven't read the books. That was beyond my point - which was more "You're not in any better of a position than the people you were talking down to considering you haven't finished the Universe, either." with your

comment.


Maybe in the books you haven't read - The Throne, and vying for control of the entire area is a major theme again - you wouldn't know, because you're only halfway through.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or anything like that - I'm definitely not really in any better position than you. Just that in not having finished 'the universe' yet, I doubt you're hardly in any position to judge the other likers of that series on what the title should be in relation to the theme, because at most you're either 2 books behind them (with 2 more to go), or 2 books ahead of them.

I will answer your original question though, even though it's moot because I haven't read the books - but as for watching Season 1, I can 100% understand why they chose the name "Game of Thrones" - because everyone is vying for control of that throne. The 'game' is the leniency they throw eachothers' lives away with all for control of a throne. Maybe not the Iron Throne. But as said in the last episode "There's a King in every corner."

"A song of Ice and Fire" makes very little sense for the show. First of all it sounds very dainty, and yes - this obviously matters especially when trying to sell your product to North America. Secondly, there has so far been very little singing, and not a whole lot of fire or ice aside from snow and stoves. Imagine The Walking Dead with no dead people walking around for an entire season. Imagine the characters in Lost knowing exactly where they were at all times.
I will clarify: That is tongue-in-cheek.
"A song of ice and fire" sort of implies some type of (if not sung) medium that you can read - which makes perfect sense for a book. Plus in being 7 books, you need a main title and then sub-titles for each book, because you can't really title your books "Book 1", "Book 2". However for shows, you cannot change the title of your TV show every year simply for continuity with the die-hard market. But you however can title your shows "Season 1", and "Season 2". The difference is that shows are cyclical, and the book is not. There are going to be 7 books. There are already 11 episodes. You need to be able to easily categorize the stuff for the fans and make it as easily recognizable as possible to as many people as possible for as long as possible.

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I've learned not to go into discussion with you. :) Yes you have a point just because you want to make a point. You can make this same point in any situation without having any clue what's going on. That's the nature of your point. No use arguing against that.

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This is just a dumb thing to be discussing instead of the actual show.

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I don't watch the show, so this is the best thing I can do. :D But ok, carry on.

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I have read all of the books (multiple times except for ADwD) and while the war depicted in the end of AGoT through ASoS is mostly over, you still have plenty of people trying to win one throne or another through at least politics if not a drag out, bloody war.

That'll be TWoW.

Also, I don't really mind that the show took the "Game of Thrones" title instead of "A Song of Ice and Fire" overall.

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The show tends to downplay Ice and Fire, at least for the first book/movie. The wolves have a much smaller part and it looks like they will be played up more this season.

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Supposedly that was just due to the logistics of it. The dogs they were using were a type that wouldn't train very well, or something, so they couldn't do as much with them. But really, overall, the whole "ice and fire" thing wasn't a very big part of AGoT the book anyway. Even with ADwD, it only feels like its starting to get to the point where the title makes sense, so...

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They should just have gone for CGI dire wolves. :D No real wolf/dog is coming close to the size of a dire wolf.
But then again, most CGI stuff looks really bad, especially on shows.

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They did some kind of trick with perspective or something in the last episode. Robb's wolf was almost as tall as he was.

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Nice! :D

(By the way, in case you wonder why I care about the show: I plan on watching all seasons when I've read all the books... so that's probably in 6-9 years.)

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Because I was involved.
I noticed before when you were talking about it, and Strangler commented on it - and after I talked about it - when two other people commented on it, it was completely accepted. :lol:
No matter what I say this forum will disagree.
I'll be pro-abortion and there'd be a "Wait a minute, let's not throw the life of a child away, here, you asshole", but if I say pro-life it would be "Let those women make their own choice, you dick." Eeeeeeoooore.
^
That was just joke, comrade, no need to reply.
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I will now keep my posts very short.

I internetted it, and the Direwolves are CGI. Wolves look good, very real.
Good wolves.
Show is good.
Excited for Sunday.

*shrugs and walks away*

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It had nothing to do with you being involved, it had to do with how long it went on for without any other lines of discussion coming up.

I felt like after everything we said, you included, Angrist would have dropped the non-issue.

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Yeah, my friends who watch the show also thought they were CGI, but really good ones.

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I know it's a free internet and all that, but if you're not watching the show, why are you bitching about the show in this thread?

That's just obnoxious. Especially since A Song of Ice and Fire would be a shitty name for a TV show. It's kind of a bad name for the series of books even.

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I thought that the first episode was pretty good, but this season had best be longer than 10 episodes if they want to fit in all of the necessary details. This book has a few more plot lines than AGoT.


Has anyone else wondered what's going to happen when the HBO series gets to AFFC and aDwD? Since the two books split the characters up, it might be hard to potray that on the screen. I have a feeling that they're going to combine the two books to match chronologically. Martin only wrote them like that because the 4th book would be too long if he had all of the plot lines laid out in one book.

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What I've gathered from overhearing those who've read them is that the show will be more chronological, and things from later books will happen earlier in the show if that's when they actually happen in the book.
I remember overhearing that the show will not be "book for book", but rather the entire timeline as it is meant to be. So things from the 3rd book might have happened in Season 1, or will happen in Season 2 simply because that's when they're meant to be happening. Like I said though, I haven't read the books and I'm only basing that on what I've heard from those who have.

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I'm pretty sure its been confirmed that, assuming the series make it that far, those two books will be combined over multiple seasons. They've also generally agreed that ASoS and on will probably take more than one season per book, so...

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I'm just afraid that the last 2 books won't be ready before they're ready to make those seasons. They'll either have to wait a few years for him to finish the books... or they'll make it based on a general description from Martin, while he'll finish the books later.

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I'm more worried that he's going to die before he ever finishes.

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Let's see (assuming they do split later books into two seasons)...

ASoS pt.1: 2013
ASoS pt. 2: 2014
"AFfC" pt. 1: 2015
"AFfC" pt. 2: 2016
"ADwD" pt. 1: 2017
"ADwD" pt. 2: 2018

So, it'll probably be six years before the TV show gets to the point the books are at and that's assuming they don't split later books into more than 2 seasons as has also been suggested. There was a 5 year gap between ASoS and AFfC and a 6 year gap between AFfC and ADwD, so there could be room for concern.

However, GRRM apparently had several issues getting those two books written. I don't want to go into details due to inadvertent spoilers, but suffice to say those issues are supposedly taken care of. We've gotten past the point that GRRM was stuck at for so long, so there should theoretically be a smaller wait for TWoW and then again for ADoS.

Anyway, like Vampyr said, its more likely that GRRM will up and die before the series is finished ("pull a Jordan" if you like tasteless references to dead authors).

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Hm why do you assume they'll split books into two seasons? Did they mention that?
I think that would maybe be stretching it too thin... especially considering that AFfC and ADwD were originally just 1.5 book.
I also heard from others that there's not too much happening in A Feast for Crows. Hopefully ADwD made up for it?