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Perfect Stu 09-04-2005 06:11 PM

THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 


4 days till kickoff!

Who else is psyched?



Prediction time!!!

AFC Offensive Player of the Year: LaDainian Tomlinson
AFC Defensive Player of the Year: Dwight Freeney
NFC Offensive Player of the Year: Daunte Culpepper
NFC Defensive Player of the Year: Julius Peppers
MVP: LaDainian Tomlinson

AFC East

1.Patriots
2.Bills*
3.Jets
4.Dolphins

AFC South

1.Colts (h)
2.Jaguars
3.Texans
4.Titans

AFC West

1.Chargers
2.Chiefs*
3.Broncos
4.Raiders

AFC North

1.Ravens
2.Bengals
3.Steelers
4.Browns

NFC North

1.Vikings
2.Lions
3.Packers
4.Bears

NFC South

1.Falcons
2.Panthers*
3.Buccaneers
4.Saints

NFC East

1.Eagles (h)
2.Cowboys
3.Redskins
4.Giants

NFC West

1.Seahawks
2.Rams*
3.Cardinals
4.49ers


*wildcard team
first round bye
(h) homefield advantage

AFC Wild Card Round:

Bills @ Chargers
Chiefs @ Ravens

NFC Wild Card Round:

Rams @ Vikings
Panthers @ Seahawks

AFC Divisionals

Bills @ Colts
Ravens @ Patriots

NFC Divisionals

Panthers @ Eagles
Vikings @ Falcons

AFC Championship

Ravens @ Colts

NFC Championship

Falcons @ Eagles

SUPERBOWL

Falcons @ Colts




Yep, I'm a Colts fan. But this IS our year. Top offense in the NFL, much improved defense.


ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!?!?!?!?!

Jonbo298 09-04-2005 06:22 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
I dont get too deep with football :p But I'm mainly Chiefs or Raiders. Can't settle on one tea



:eyes:

Perfect Stu 09-04-2005 09:36 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Chiefs or Raiders? That's a damn rivalry, how can you be a fan of both?

Typhoid 09-04-2005 10:04 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Broncos, Titans, 49ers.





I'm ****ed.

Acebot44 09-04-2005 11:29 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
I'm a 49ers, Chargers, and Raiders fan.....why doesnt LA have a team yet?

Bond 09-05-2005 01:04 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
NFC North

1.Vikings
2.Lions
3.Packers
4.Bears

You bitch.

Jonbo298 09-05-2005 01:57 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
Chiefs or Raiders? That's a damn rivalry, how can you be a fan of both?

I didnt say I was perfect :sneaky:

Stonecutter 09-05-2005 01:12 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
I'll give you my picks on Thursday.

I'll tell you this right now. Corey Simon makes a BIG difference.

Stonecutter 09-08-2005 01:24 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
NFC West

Seahawks 9-7
Rams 8-8
Cardinals 6-10
49ers 3-13

NFC East

Eagles 11-5 B
Cowboys 9-7 WC
Giants 5-11
Redskins 4-12

NFC South

Panthers 13-3 B HFA
Falcons 10-6 WC
Saints 7-9
Bucs 6-10

NFC North

Vikings 9-7
Bears 7-9
Lions 7-9
Packers 7-9

AFC West (Who the **** knows)

Chiefs 11-5
Chargers 10-6
Broncos 8-8
Raiders 7-9

AFC East

Patriots 14-2 B HFA
Bills 10-6 WC
Jets 9-7
Dolphins 2-14

AFC South

Colts 12-4 B
Texans 9-7
Jaguars 8-8
Titans 1-15

AFC North

Steelers 11-5
Bengals 10-6 WC
Ravens 9-7
Browns 4-12

Every team not named the Browns, Titans or Dolphins couls make the playoffs out of the AFC.

BTW, 16 (games) times 32 (teams) = 512 and the wins and losses add up to that.

NFC Offensive Player of the Year Jake Dellhome
NFC Defensive Player of the Year Adewale Ogunleye
AFC Offensive Player of the Year Willis McGahee
AFC Defensive Player of the Year Corey Simon

Offensive ROY Mark Clayton
Defensive ROY Derrick Johnson

I want to say Panthers over Pats in the superbowl but now everyone is on the Panthers bandwagon which is pretty much the kiss of death, so I’ll take the pats to win #4 and have them knocking off….

Oh who the hell cares, the NFC Blows.

Professor S 09-08-2005 01:55 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
The Falcons will go nowhere with Vick. I actually think Schaub would get them farther. Panthers are a scary team for us Eagles fans, though.

Go Birds.

Typhoid 09-08-2005 02:12 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor S
Panthers are a scary team for us Eagles fans, though.


Every team is a scary team for Eagles fans.

Stonecutter 09-08-2005 03:14 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor S
The Falcons will go nowhere with Vick. I actually think Schaub would get them farther. Panthers are a scary team for us Eagles fans, though.

Go Birds.

If we've learned anything from the Pats run these past years, it should be that while scoring points is now more important than ever, defense still wins football. The Falcons D is very good.

You still seriously underrate Vick. He's nowhere near as good as the Eastern Seaboard Programing Network talking heads like to hype him up as, but he's nowhere as bad as the anti Vick backlash likes to paint him.

Krypton 09-08-2005 01:27 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
GO LIONS!!!


they've won 1 game in their preseason :mad:


they SUCK

Professor S 09-08-2005 01:33 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonecutter
You still seriously underrate Vick. He's nowhere near as good as the Eastern Seaboard Programing Network talking heads like to hype him up as, but he's nowhere as bad as the anti Vick backlash likes to paint him.

I underrate Vick because he is seriously overrated. He is a running QB who is completely ineffective when you keep him in the pocket. Look at what the Eagles did to him for the past two years. The formula for beating Vick is so startingly simple I'm suprised more teams haven't figured it out:

Do not rush Vick
+ Keep him in the pocket
---------------------------------
You win

The Eagles punished Vick in last years NFC championship game, including a hit by Hollis Thomas that I desacribed as "Thats what it looks like when human being is hit by a vending machine", by letting Vick come to them.

If you take away Vick's legs, his arm will do more harm than good.

Professor S 09-08-2005 01:34 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonecutter
You still seriously underrate Vick. He's nowhere near as good as the Eastern Seaboard Programing Network talking heads like to hype him up as, but he's nowhere as bad as the anti Vick backlash likes to paint him.

I underrate Vick because he is seriously overrated. He is a running QB who is completely ineffective when you keep him in the pocket. Look at what the Eagles did to him for the past two years. The formula for beating Vick is so startingly simple I'm suprised more teams haven't figured it out:

Do not rush Vick
+ Keep him in the pocket
---------------------------------
You win

The Eagles punished Vick in last years NFC championship game, including a hit by Hollis Thomas that I desacribed as "Thats what it looks like when human being is hit by a vending machine", by letting Vick come to them.

If you take away Vick's legs, his arm will do more harm than good for the Falcons.

Bond 09-11-2005 10:28 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
My predictions:

NFC West
Seahawks
Rams
Cardinals
49ers

NFC East
Eagles
Cowboys
Giants
Redskins

NFC South
Panthers
Falcons
Buccaneers
Saints

NFC North
Packers
Vikings
Lions
Bears

AFC West
Chiefs
Chargers
Broncos
Raiders

AFC East
Patriots
Jets
Bills
Dolphins

AFC South
Colts
Jaguars
Texans
Titans

AFC North
Steelers
Bengals
Ravens
Browns

Perfect Stu 09-12-2005 02:02 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 


Colts 24 @ Ravens 7. How sweet it is!

And Bond...I may be a b*tch, but...from the look of things, I may just be a b*tch who knows what they're talking about.

Stonecutter 09-12-2005 07:36 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Oh lordy did the Packers BLOW yesterday.

Just a little bit of Oh-fense and the bears would win that division, unfortunatly I don't think they have it yet.

Bond 09-12-2005 07:46 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonecutter
Oh lordy did the Packers BLOW yesterday.

I can't deny that, and Javon Walker is out for the entire ****ing year. God damnit...

ZebraRampage 09-12-2005 08:55 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
God Damnit! The game hasn't even started, and there have been ejections! What the hell?! You should have just walked away from it Trotter..

Bond 09-12-2005 09:08 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
What a start to MNF. This is going to be an interesting game...

ZebraRampage 09-12-2005 10:26 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
The second quarter is almost over, and all I have to say is..there's still another half.

Professor S 09-12-2005 11:00 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Man the Eagles look like crap. Trotter being ejected (for NOT throwing a punch, apparently) is killing them.

ZebraRampage 09-12-2005 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor S
Man the Eagles look like crap. Trotter being ejected (for NOT throwing a punch, apparently) is killing them.

They have nothing against the run because of it..but as usual, I'll have faith in the Eagles till the end of the game. They're still in it, they just don't have the stats that back it up really.

Lateral.. :unsure:

Professor S 09-12-2005 11:11 PM

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I feel like I'm watching a bad highschool game after that botched lateral to Westbrook. Rediculous. This does not look like the Eagles team I know and love.

The Germanator 09-13-2005 01:23 AM

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This is all I can say...The Eagles played like **** and still almost beat one of the supposed competitors in the NFC on their home turf. They should have won that game by a couple of touchdowns.

ZebraRampage 09-13-2005 09:45 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Germanator
This is all I can say...The Eagles played like **** and still almost beat one of the supposed competitors in the NFC on their home turf. They should have won that game by a couple of touchdowns.

They actually should have won 16-13. Akers missed two field goals. They didn't look too great though..but it's only the first game, and hardly any team will win every game. It just sucks when you lose the first one, but it's all right. There's still next week.

Perfect Stu 09-13-2005 05:10 PM

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dont worry...the NFC still sucks, you dont even need home field advantage

ZebraRampage 09-27-2005 09:15 AM

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Does anyone else feel like this is a weird football year? I guess some things have happened that haven't happened for a long time. Cincinnati is 3-0, New England already lost a game, the Packers kind of died, Tampa is 3-0, Carolina was able to beat New England, but not Miami or New Orleans. Maybe these things just happen.

Bond 09-27-2005 06:43 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZebraRampage
the Packers kind of died

Damn You!!!!

jeepnut 09-27-2005 08:21 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
It's probably because you don't have a Packers related avatar Bond.

Stonecutter 09-27-2005 08:35 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZebraRampage
Does anyone else feel like this is a weird football year? I guess some things have happened that haven't happened for a long time. Cincinnati is 3-0, New England already lost a game, the Packers kind of died, Tampa is 3-0, Carolina was able to beat New England, but not Miami or New Orleans. Maybe these things just happen.

In case you haven't noticed, this has been pretty much every year for the past 10 or so. There are no more dynasties. The NFL is actively bending the system such that every team is basically at about the same level. The idea is to establish parity. The fewer teams you have at 4-12, the more tickets you sell and interest you generate late in the season.

That’s why the team with the worst record gets the highest draft pick in the first round, but this is also the reasoning behind the salary cap, to keep the big market teams from outpacing the small markets like in baseball. The unfortunate thing is, unlike baseball, the NFL is in a good financial situation where all of its teams make money (maybe not the Cardinals, but everybody else) and there really is no reason for there to not be some salary flexibility. It would result in a MUCH better product on the field. There really aren't any truly good teams anymore, but it's a business not a game, so this is the way things are going to be.

Bond 09-27-2005 08:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepnut
It's probably because you don't have a Packers related avatar Bond.

I acknowledge your sarcasm, but am also at the same time desperate, so I'll try it.

The Germanator 09-27-2005 09:18 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonecutter
There are no more dynasties.

There really aren't any truly good teams anymore, but it's a business not a game, so this is the way things are going to be.


I don't know man. I'm an Eagles fan and even I will admit that the Patriots are a legitimately GOOD team...You can't win 3 out of four and say they aren't.

I'd even say the Eagles having won 4 (5) straight division could qualify as a (much) lesser dynasty.

Perfect Stu 09-27-2005 09:25 PM

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the hard salary cap is what helps make the NFL the best professional sports league in the world.

the fact that the owners, coaches and front office have to WORK to build and create a successful franchise is fantastic, instead of MLB which often turns into an auction.

Stonecutter 09-29-2005 12:04 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Germanator
I don't know man. I'm an Eagles fan and even I will admit that the Patriots are a legitimately GOOD team...You can't win 3 out of four and say they aren't.

I'd even say the Eagles having won 4 (5) straight division could qualify as a (much) lesser dynasty.

To do what the Pats have done in this day and age is amazing, but even though the organization’s past 5 or 6 years to build this team may be the best 5 or 6 year run in the history of sports managing, this group of players wouldn't beat any other dynasty in NFL history (90s Boys, 90s Cos, 80s Giants, 80s 9ers, 70s Steelers, 70s Dolphins, 70s boys, 60's Pack, 50's Colts)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
the hard salary cap is what helps make the NFL the best professional sports league in the world.

the fact that the owners, coaches and front office have to WORK to build and create a successful franchise is fantastic, instead of MLB which often turns into an auction.


Oh no no no no no.


You wantonly throw money around in MLB, you still lose. See Late 90s dodgers and Os, Yankees now (might not even make the playoffs), Os now, Mets forever. The system in the NFL is the best of the major sports but there are two things I want changed.

1) Adopt a slotted system for draft picks, like the NBA

2) Allow teams to go over the salary cap to resign a player that they drafted. As a colts fan you have to know that either Edge or Wayne is going to be gone next year. Why should a team that drafts well be punished because their hand picked talent has matured to the point that they can no longer afford it?

Baseball teams, with 81 revenue opportunities a year, can’t make more money than NFL teams with 8. If that number isn’t completely staggering I don’t know what is. The problem with baseball isn’t so much that teams are allowed to spend freely as it is that some teams don’t make enough money (or are owned by people/companies not willing to spend enough money) to even compete. The Atletics don’t have a huge payroll but they’ve been one of the most consistant teams in the league the last 5-6 years. That being said, the As are still spending about 26 million more than the D rays (55ish to 29ish.) If you’ll take a look at the team payrolls:

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

You’ll notice that right around that 55-60 million dollar range (which is better than 2/3rds of the league) you see a big separation between the teams that are at least competitive and your bottom feeders. If baseball just had a little revenue sharing with a salary floor, you’d see a lot more competitive teams. At the very same time, however, you’ll see that there are teams in the top 15 that are absolutely dreadful.

It’s further proof that throwing money at a problem won’t necessarily make it go away, and it furthers my belief that the NFL could actually strengthen the game, remove some parity, allow a few teams to form a true upper echelon and make football a lot more interesting. Remember how great the Packers/Cowboys/49ers match ups in the mid 90s were? They would have made last weekend’s Steelers/Pats tilt look like a pre season game.

Perfect Stu 09-29-2005 12:33 AM

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You cant CANT CANT have a situation where only 20% of the league has a chance each year. It's boring. Then again, Im a business and marketing oriented person...To me, you cant have 32 teams in a league where only 5 or 6 have a shot at a title going into the seasn. Trim that league down to 16 and it's another story. If the NHL had 16 teams the game would be 5 times better. But the league is so watered down, the game has actually devolved. It's sad.

Same COULD be said about the NFL but it's a different game. Once a week games, different (bigger) fan base. It's a different situation. It's a business, first and foremost...and that interests me as a fan of the GAME. Look at the Bengals franchise right now. I love it...I love the fact that this team was absolute garbage 4 years ago, and without buying a new team the franchise will now be competing with the best of the best.

The on-field product...sure...it could be more entertaining. Moreso to the casual fan. I can watch a 13-7 game and appreciate good blocking or coverage or special teams. Most people cant...different strokes for different folks.

I DO agree with your 'exceptions for homebrew players' concept. Teams that draft well should benefit for a more extended period of time. My Colts have drafted about as well as any other team, right up there with the Ravens, over the past 7-8 years. The fact that some of these players will be gone soon doesnt sit well with me...but that's part of the business. With a new CBA on the horizon, we probably wont see any DRASTIC changes but I think the NFL is trying to open up the league just a little.

The NFL is right where it should be, in my mind.

Stonecutter 09-29-2005 10:01 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
You cant CANT CANT have a situation where only 20% of the league has a chance each year. It's boring. Then again, Im a business and marketing oriented person...To me, you cant have 32 teams in a league where only 5 or 6 have a shot at a title going into the seasn. Trim that league down to 16 and it's another story. If the NHL had 16 teams the game would be 5 times better. But the league is so watered down, the game has actually devolved. It's sad.

Same COULD be said about the NFL but it's a different game. Once a week games, different (bigger) fan base. It's a different situation. It's a business, first and foremost...and that interests me as a fan of the GAME. Look at the Bengals franchise right now. I love it...I love the fact that this team was absolute garbage 4 years ago, and without buying a new team the franchise will now be competing with the best of the best.

The on-field product...sure...it could be more entertaining. Moreso to the casual fan. I can watch a 13-7 game and appreciate good blocking or coverage or special teams. Most people cant...different strokes for different folks.

I DO agree with your 'exceptions for homebrew players' concept. Teams that draft well should benefit for a more extended period of time. My Colts have drafted about as well as any other team, right up there with the Ravens, over the past 7-8 years. The fact that some of these players will be gone soon doesnt sit well with me...but that's part of the business. With a new CBA on the horizon, we probably wont see any DRASTIC changes but I think the NFL is trying to open up the league just a little.

The NFL is right where it should be, in my mind.

What do you mean only "20% of the teams have a chance"? MORE THAN 20% OF THE TEAMS IN BASEBALL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! Only about 20% of the teams have NO chance when the season starts and if you added revenue sharing and a salary floor pertinent to that revenue sharing you'd eliminate that group of teams that was perennially out of it.

also:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
Same COULD be said about the NFL but it's a different game. Once a week games, different (bigger) fan base. It's a different situation. It's a business, first and foremost...and that interests me as a fan of the GAME. Look at the Bengals franchise right now. I love it...I love the fact that this team was absolute garbage 4 years ago, and without buying a new team the franchise will now be competing with the best of the best.

The on-field product...sure...it could be more entertaining. Moreso to the casual fan. I can watch a 13-7 game and appreciate good blocking or coverage or special teams. Most people cant...different strokes for different folks.

I'd be able to appreciate good coverage but unfortunately you can't SEE it 99.9% of the time (on tv at least, believe it or not I've never been to a game over the High School level.)

Aside from that, I don't have a problem with the fact that the Bengalis are 3-0, I just don't know if the Bengalis are a good team, I don't know if the Bills, at -2 are a bad team, I'm willing to bet that they're both average teams. I think the Pats, Colts, Steelers and Eagles are slightly better than the rest of the teams in the league, and I think the Packers, Texans, Jets and Cardinals are slightly worse.

That leaves 26 teams that I think will finish anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6 but I do not believe for a second that the 10 and 6 teams would dominate the 6 and 10 teams across the board. Some teams just got a little more luck, a few more calls, a few less injuries. Granted, you could always say the same, but unlike now 10 or 15 years ago the 10 and 6 teams were markedly better than the 6 and 10 teams, and I don't believe that to be the case anymore.

Upsets aren’t special anymore. Yes, “any given Sunday” has always been true, but it’s a little too true now and I can’t see how that strengthens the game.

Perfect Stu 09-29-2005 03:27 PM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonecutter
What do you mean only "20% of the teams have a chance"? MORE THAN 20% OF THE TEAMS IN BASEBALL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!.


and i can name a couple playoff teams that wont stand a chance of winning the world series...what's your point?

Stonecutter 09-30-2005 11:52 AM

Re: THE NFL 2005-2006 Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu
and i can name a couple playoff teams that wont stand a chance of winning the world series...what's your point?

One of those teams in 2003 would have been the Marlins.
And one of those teams in 2002 would have been the Angels.
One of those teams in 1997 would have been the Marlins.


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