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Nintendo Wii 714,200
Nintendo DS 414,800
PlayStation Portable 192,700
Xbox 360 188,000
PLAYSTATION 3 187,100
PlayStation 2 124,400


1 Grand Theft Auto IV (Xbox 360) 1,850,000
2 Mario Kart (Wii) 1,120,000
3 Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3) 1,000,000
4 Wii Play (Wii) 360,000
5 Super Smash Bros Brawl (Wii) 326,000
6 Gran Turismo 5: Prologue (PS3) 224,000
7 Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness (DS) 202,000
8 Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time (DS) 202,000
9 Guitar Hero III (Wii) 152,000
10 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Xbox 360) 141,000

Basically Wii almost doubles Ps3/360 combined with the largest game of the last generation coming out. GTA tears up the chart as expected but Kart doesn't do too shabby.

Nintendo also seems to be moving along with the numbers as they have 4 Wii games and 2 DS games in the top 10. Accounting for more than half of the Top 10.

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Wow, just wow. Mario Kart outsold GTA IV on the PS3

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Wow, very nice.

I don't mean to talk shit, but it's good to see that the PS2 is beginning to move on.

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Double post to put things in perspective:

Wii: 714k

All others (minus DS) combined:
692K

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Nintendo continues ascension to heaven while third parties flounder.

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Well to be fair. Most 3rd party efforts haven't been the greatest.

GH 3 continues to sell well. No More Heroes sold respectable all things considered. Red Steel got the launch bump. But really not many Wii 3rd parties that deserved to sell.

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I wonder how game sales now overall compare to the last 5 years. I wouldn't be shocked if this is damn near an overall industry best.. but not sure. lol

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It has to be, I can't think of another time where gaming has been this big. The only thing comparable to the Wii's success is the PS2 which without a doubt was big, but now, the Wii is a monster. I personally don't understand the direction of gaming these days with the Wii's continued success.. er, domination, but they've got it right apparently, so more power to them. Gaming is bigger than ever.

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That is F-ing hilarious.

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Well, apparently nobody is buying any games to go along with their new Wii's or Wii titles would be dominating the top ten.

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Wii has the lowest game-to-console sales ratio of the three...
It has arguably the worst third-party support of any Nintendo console to date...
Critically speaking, it has by far the fewest games with an 80% or higher total ranking (according to gameranking) between the three consoles...
It's third-party support looks to stay pretty poor for the foreseeable future...
And it's first-party titles look to be heading into a dry spell after Nintendo got a bit top-heavy with their franchises for the first year and a half...

As for that GTA-influenced comparison chart... The game itself broke sales records worldwide, including one for total revenue brought in by ANY form of Entertainment Media ever...
It sold nearly as many copies in it's first week as Wii's top-selling, non-bundled game (Mario Galaxy) has since it's release...
And the game's two versions (currently) occupy in the two top spots on gameranking's all-time highest reviewed game chart...

I mean, outside of raw console sales, I just don't see the significance of the Wii when this new user base that's causing a large chunk of sales seems less interested in, you know... purchasing games...

I'm more interested in how things will play out over the long haul... And not just as they relate to consoles sold...

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I have a Wii. I like it. It has good games. Not enough?

Pushing sales is funny. Stockholder?

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I had a Wii! It had some good games! I liked it! Then I got bored! Then I sold it!

Point being: Sales can be a fun thing to follow and discuss... Opinions, predictions, and the ultimate outcome that weighs heavily on the direction of the gaming industry...

If the original Playstation hadn't sold the way it did, would the gaming industry be the same as it is today?

If Wii came out and absolutely nobody cared, would there be speculation that Microsoft is going to be ripping off their controller? Would anybody even want to rip off their controller? Would Nintendo use similar technology, and take a similar approach, to their next console?

*ponders*

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Yeah, even though Wii is at the top of the sales charts, in my opinion its clearly the worst console. I really don't compare it head up with 360 and Ps3 . I feel like Wii is its own thing for casual gamers. Like GBA, or PSP. Just a nice system with a nice gimmick that sold well. Most of what I liked about the home gaming console industy for the last 10+ years isn't represented very well on the Wii.

That change is why its as sucsessful as it is. So grats to nintendo for that one, but I personally wouldn't call it the best console with the best games by a long shot. Nintendo's making their money, but they're not making it by having the best quality in my opinion. Is this good or bad for the industry? We'll see. lol

-EDIT-

By the way, I find my sigature funny now. I remember how ignorant he sounded when he said that years ago, then Wii comes out and just proves his point. It still goes against what I'm personally interested in, and more hardcore gamers. But the casual gamers are probably what drove him to say it.

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Thw Wii's attachment rate compared to its console sales are so disparate, I'm tempted to remove the Wii from the console wars entirely, as its not really the same animal. There are a coupkle of things that don;t bode well for the Wii and the the idea that motion control is the future.

1) The afforementioned attachement rate is not bad, its terrible. people are literally buying the console for for Nintendo franises and Wii sports alone. That's not really an open platform console... it more like a really popular NeoGeo.

2) The "it" factor could be its undoing. As was mentioned before, people grow tirted of it pretty quickly in many cases (not all or even the majority). I thinka good part of its appeal is that its "fashionable", not unlike I think a lot of the appeal of Mac is fashionable. I'd be curious to see any numbers on Wii resales...

3) The most damning evidence is the continued lack of serious third party support. Nintendo has got to feel like the US army did when the conquered Iraq... "Hey everyone, we won! Don't you love us now? What? Wait! Where are you going?" The Wii needs to win the hearts and minds of serious third party developers, and so far they've been resoundingly ignored.

And for the record, I have no rooting interest against the Wii (I'm planning on getting one as my next console in fact), I'm just trying to be as objective as possible, and I welcome any differing arguments and evidence.

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You can ask BaB on this one, I've always dismissed Wii from the console war. No matter how good it does, I still can't pull myself to call it in the same league. Its had to find good viable examples for how I feel this way outside of comparing it to handhelds... or kinda like you said, a popular Neo Geo. <_<

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Only a truly amazing looking new Zelda game could get me interested in a Wii, otherwise I really don't see any appeal in the console. I mean here we are again, buying Nintendo's consoles for Nintendo's games. The only reason I could see owning the console right now are Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, and Smash Bros, and none of these games really truly symbolize the Wii's revolutionary mission of motion control. I'd be perfectly content playing all these games with a gamecube controller or something similar.

I guess in my mind, Wii is really just the cool new toy, and the other consoles are just sitting back, doing what they normally do, and I'm fine with that.

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That is all the appeal required from two hundred and fifty dollars.

Also, the only thing worse than Sales-Age is retarded Sales-Age. Please, all of you, stop.

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The funny thing is that Nintendo has always said they're not competing with Sony/Microsoft. They're doing their own thing and their market is growing bigger than the conventional market.

The question isn't why Nintendo isn't competing with the rest, but why the rest isn't competing with Nintendo.

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Like I said, when the next Zelda reveals itself...

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We're not the ones putting together the sales comparisons that include Nintendo, we're just commenting on them. Regardless of what Nintendo says, the industry views them as a competitor.

Because they're two different animals trying to accomplish different things. Gamers play games on the 360 or PS3. Gamers play the Wii itself. The games are secondary, and I think you can see that the third party developers agree...

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Yep, I agree. I haven't considered the Wii to be in the same league as the PS3/360 for a long time. I've looked at the console wars as 360 vs. PS3 for a while because the Wii just doesn't offer the same experience as the HD consoles. The Wii is off completely doing its own thing and it's not coming back.

I ditched my Wii a couple of weeks back because I wasn't playing the 3 or 4 first party games I actually had. I didn't own a single 3rd party game and I had/have no interest in any of them coming out or ones that have come out.

One of the things that led me to sell the Wii is the fact that there was this one night in particular about a month ago where I was bored and wanted to play some game, ANYTHING really. So I got up and went over to my games and I looked through them for a little bit just trying to figure out what I wanted to play. Eventually I found something for the 360. But a few minutes later I realized that I didn't even for a second consider looking at the Wii games. I didn't even entertain the possibility of playing that console. So that led me to say right then "Why do I even own this fucking console?"

There's nothing retarded about this, this thread is kind of a discussion about where the Wii's spot is in gaming today and all of that.

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O for the first time in a long time. The top 20!

March/April ranks……… Title/platform/publisher
**/1 ………………Grand Theft Auto IV (Xbox 360) Take-Two*
**/2 ……………….Mario Kart (Wii) Nintendo
**/3 ……………….GTA IV (PS3) Take-Two*
4/4 ……………….Wii Play/with remote (Wii) Nintendo
1/5 ……………….Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) Nintendo
**/6 ……………….Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (PS3) Sony
**/7 ……………….Pokemon/Explorers of Darkness (DS) Nintendo
**/8 ……………….Pokemon/Explorers of Time (DS) Nintendo
7/9 ……………….Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) Activision
9/10 ……………….Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) Activision*
6/11 ……………….Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (PSP) Square Enix
2/12 ……………….Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 (Xbox 360) Ubisoft*
20/13 ………………..Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3 (PS2) Namco Bandai
19/14 ………………..Game Party (Wii) Midway
14/15 ………………..Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) Activision*
18/16 ………………..New Super Mario Bros. (DS) Nintendo
**/17 ………………..Mario Kart (DS) Nintendo
**/18 ………………..Rock Band (Xbox 360) MTV/Electronic Arts*
13/19 ………………..Mario Party (DS) Nintendo
**/20 ……………….Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) Nintendo

And since someone did the work.
Wii-6
DS-5
360-4
PS3-2
PS2-2
PSP-1

http://www.themanandhischeese.pwp.bl.../aprilnpd.html

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Two of the Wii games are Nintendo's hot new games, one is the follow-up, of sorts, to Wii Sports, another is the system's best-selling non-bundled game poking it's head back on the charts... And Guitar Hero III...

But what I find most interesting is the fact that "Game Party" (which came out back in DECEMBER) is not only in the top 20, but that it actually moved up 5 slots from March to April...
*ponders*

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Not quite sure what you are trying to say with this post. :confused:

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The first half of that post was actually edited to replace what I had previously written there, which was "Well it has been a busy two months for Nintendo, with 2 big franchise releases"...
Which I guess was what I was saying... But that didn't comment on the other 4 Wii games in the top 20...

Wii Play and Game Party are both basically just (according to "the people") mediocre-terrible mini-game compilations in the vein of Wii Sports...
Maybe Game Party will one day have a spot on the top 20 list of bestselling Wii games, next to Carnival Games, with it's 1.7+ million sales...

So ultimately, in the face of another silly PS3 vs. 360 vs. Wii graphic, I was pointing out that the only surprise on that list is the fact that some of Wii's terrible games are actually selling, after all...

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What's surprising about that? People can't stop forking out the money for these piece of shit non-games.

Game Party's Metacritic score: 25

And yet this thing is on the Top 20, fucking pathetic.


Edit: And people wonder when 3rd party developers will ever put out a respectable game on the Wii. Why the hell should they? If you can scrap together a "gem" like Game Party and be on the Top 20 and actually be moving up it, why the hell would you ever worry about making a quality game?

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You damned if you do.
And damned if you don't if your Nintendo.

I won't defend GameParty. I've never played it. I don't plan on playing it.

But is there a chance.. a small small chance that people who buy it actually enjoy it?

I had a friend back in high school who swore up and down the high heavens that Superman 64 was an awesome game. He would come in everyday and tel us about the game. Now to the rest of us, this was a joke Superman 64 was an awful game or so I've been told. I've never played it and have no intentions to, but he did and he found some enjoyment in it.

The same could be said for GameParty or even the ton more of party games on the Wii.

And you complain about Game PArty selling well and its a reason developers shouldn't put real games on the Wii, but what other "real" 3rd party game came out in April that deserved to sell? You can't look at an arguement one-sided and make a conclusion. One game sold well, but there were no real comparable games for you to show sold poorly.

Also, I believe game party was only released in March not Dec I could be mistaken.

And also I think this is the game, I knew people who were interested in it because it had a version of beer pong. Take that as you will.

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Okami Wii. Sure it's just ANOTHER PS2 port on the Wii but it's a superior game to Game Party in every way. And it's not a non-game so that's always a plus in my book.

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Yeah, it's a Ps2 port and figured it would be the one you mentioned, but hell it didn't sell well the first time around.

And also since you love throwing the term around Game Party isn't a non-game its a party game there is a difference. :p

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:lolz: How is there a difference? Either way, Game Party would classify as a non-game and a party game I guess. Which is appropriate because it seems to have enough suck for 2 games. :D

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How is there a difference between a non-game and a party game?

Really?

But before I even go into that debate, what the hell is your definition of a non-game?

Because as much as you throw it around, I don't even think you have a firm grasp on what people use it for.

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I classify a non-game as:

Wario Ware
Game Party
Wii Sports
Wii Play
Wii Fit
Carnival Games
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

Basically, mini-game collections (edit: games you wouldn't actually sit down and play by yourself), games where you don't actually play (Wii Fit). Shovelware.

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I hope there's not any subtext here about Okami not deserving to sell more. It's fantastically amazing and shoehorns waggle controls in as well as Twilight Princess, which sold a criminally higher amount, relative to their comparative quality.

There is a distinction though. Wii Play is very much a traditional game. Pong and Duck Hunt are games. Wii Play focuses on local multiplayer to a high degree, but its games are all squarely within the realm of traditional game mechanics. Its more a retro collection with a motion control gimmick than a party game.

You can make an arguement that party games are the ancestor to non-games, but there isn't a logical cut-off. If you start down that road, many genres become very murky, because it is all semantics. The action category and the puzzle category and the RPG category do not exist in vacuums anymore. Ditto non-games and party games. Most things are a meld of multiple design disciplines at this point.

Synergy, daddy.

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Wait, what? Last time I checked, Wario Wares took skill, because the shtick was that it was a TON of microgames thrown at you at once. I don't really agree that it could be considered a non-game based on the flow of the randomized gameplay. However, the GCN one and the Wii one added the whole "party" kind of gameplay, which ruined it for me, personally.

I would consider a non-game different from shovelware as well. They have different terms for a reason.

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And this is what's wrong with gamers. What war? I must've missed it on CNN. There is no war, no battle, it's simply two companies with competing products. The only people who should care are the ones working for those companies. The rest of you simply decided you wanted to cheer for an electronics box that hooks up to your TV and then suddenly became hooligans fighting with each other.

Now the modified GameCube is outselling cotton and you don't know what to do. Your telling me the solution is to remove it from your imaginary battlefield? This is a joke.

But instead of just sitting back and watching in amazement, you now want to argue that the console is a horrible failure and it's not what third-parties want. Thank you for being the voice of third parties around the world, I was hoping someone would step up to the plate sooner or later.

But you're right, on so many levels. Wii is a complete failure... oh, and wasn't Nintendo supposed to go bankrupt this generation?

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Maybe... and yet...
If Nintendo had decided to create a system that was truly in direct competition (as people like to put it) with Sony and Microsoft, and this hypothetical system surpassed Gamecube's total worldwide sales in less than 2 years (and was very likely to eventually surpass N64's total sales), as the Wii has done, there'd really be no "damned if you do" attitude right now...

Nintendo fans have always bought Nintendo consoles for Nintendo's offerings... With the Wii, you're still getting those; so from a Nintendo fan's perspective, you have everything you've always loved, only now it's selling like hotcakes...

The whole problem with this discussion lies within this new "casual" pseudo/non-gamer base they've tapped into, what they've done for sales, how interested they actually end up being in gaming, what kind of games they're interested in, etc etc etc...

As for Game Party/Carnival Games' success, of course there's a chance that someone will actually enjoy it (maybe somewhere along the lines of a 21% chance)... Especially among the new market Nintendo's discovered...
See though, I can't help but feel a bit like a snooty, elitist longtime gamer, but I personally don't want the future of gaming to be made up of by poorly thrown together mini-game compilations...
And from where I'm standing, the only difference between Wii and last generation is the success of that type of game, the mainstream hype, a dryer market of quality third-party titles, and a new controller that, IMO, hasn't quite lived up to the hype as the "future of gaming"...

If I may be the voice of Professor S's around the world, "console wars" is just a familiar label gamers use when discussing this situation in which two or three companies have competing products, so as not to have to type out "this situation in which companies have competing products" every time they want to mention it...
And while I'll agree that the term does give off a sense of teenagers throwing a couple of hissy-fits, I don't think that's the case...
But perhaps we can agree to call it "TSIWCHCP"?

As far as I'm concerned, TSIWCHCP simply provides a forum for discussion of where you see gaming going, where you want to see it go, etc etc...
Wii's new demographic simply makes things more interesting...A tad bit'o'the unknown... OoOoogidy...

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I would consider them different but most shovelware seems to be mini-games these days so it just seems to be an negative association I have. I'm ignorant towards the Wii, what can I say? My blind hate for the system prevents me from knowing anything past first party games. :(

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Wow what a huge over reaction lol. Nobody's saying Wii is a failure, people are just saying its different and isn't exactly competing head up with Ps3 or 360. Just like the Tekken arcade machine at the mall is different, and isn't competing head up with the 360 or Ps3. Or like Sony PSP or GBA is different and isn't cometing head up with them.

Nobody's saying Wii failed or its crap, you're just jumping the gun way too hard.

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You see your definition is very loose and I don't believe befitting of the term.
The way I see most people define a non-game such as Brain Age or Wii Fit is there are no real goals. You just kind of play the game.

Most of those games have some goal whether it is a high score or beating your friends or unlocking new mini-games.

A mini-game collection doesn't equal a non-game.
And your definition of games you wouldn't sit down and play by yourself is too subjective.
I wouldn't mind playing Wii Sports by myself every now and then. Same deal with Wario Ware (especially since you have to to unlock multiplayer) so I really don't like that definition.
Hell by your definition TF 2 is a non-game as well. ;)

I'm not gonna disagree with this statement, but how is playing a Nintendo console for Nintendo games any different than people who bought 360s for Halo 3 or people who buy Ps3 for MGS 4 and GTA IV?

I mean the argument always seems to pop up and just because people buy a console for first party efforts (who would have thunk it) doesn't make it a negative.

Now I know the arguement will lead down the well its the only games they buy category, but that isn't true either. The problem is not many 3rd parties want to put compelling content on the Wii and see if it sells because they have this stigma.

But I will champion several 3rd party efforts on the Wii and I own them like they deserve. Developers need to have confidence in their games being about to sell under any condition.

That is the same feeling Aladuf shares.
And for some reason the creation of Wii Play and Game Party hasn't stopped stuff like Gears 2 or Prototype or hell even Mad World from being announced. Epic isn't all of sudden turning GoW 2 into Gears Party or Halo Play.

I will give you the Wii hasn't lived up to its true potential yet, but there have been many bright lights of hope.

Just need someone to grab hold of it.


Well your hatred of Wii shines through all the time, but why are shovelware/non-games a Nintendo-only factor?
I have pointed out there is a ton of crap on the ps3/360 as well, but no one ever wants to call them on that.

No its big bad Nintendo who has nothing but crap on their console. Even though, I personally feel the console has a rather decent library at the moment, you are so intent on focusing on the games you don't like on the console that you won't even give the other ones a chance.

I mean what were the chances of you buying/playing Game Party anyhow? But here is an entire discussion on it.

How was NO More Heroes? How was Okami Wii? How was Medal of Honor Heroes 2?

My point being don't point fingers at the crap and then ignore the quality stuff because it suits your arguement.

Yeah, the Wii has crap. It isn't a new story. And it isn't one that will change anytime soon. They are the most dominant console on the market right now it makes sense for the most crap to go there. You have a better chance of selling it to a wider audience.

Justin defending the Wii. :confused:
Now I've seen it all.