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I mainly created this thread to point out the Eagles just gave Vick a 6-year, $100 million contract, with $40 million guaranteed. Really?

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Well, here's the thing... Everyone looks at those big numbers like 6 years/$100 million, but we don't know exactly how that deal is structured. Most likely it's pretty front loaded so that if Vick declines in 3-4 years, they'll be able to cut him, and they'll only be out around 50-60 million for 4 years. There could also be hidden, hard to achieve bonuses in there so that the contract never reaches maximum value. Is that a lot? Not really, if Vick plays remotely like he did last season. Remember, Sam Bradford as a rookie last year got $50 million guaranteed. I know that was before the new CBA, but still..

Obviously, Vick is injury prone, so that's always a risk, but he was a top 5 QB last year, and that's how top 5 QBs get paid. Nobody seems to be mentioning Peyton Manning's similar deal when he has a potentially very serious and career threatening injury right at this moment.

Basically, you can say a lot of bad things about the Eagles, but their front-office is very cap-savvy. Did you see their off-season this year? Very creative and intelligent with their cap room I doubt this deal is going to hinder them too much. I still think they can sign Desean Jackson even with this contract.

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I guess... but he basically got that contract for one good year, right? I don't think that's quite comparable to Peyton Manning getting a long-term extension after being consistently a top QB for thirteen years and never missing a game.

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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Vicks-Vault.html

Here's the further breakdown of the contract. So, basically, that 6th year at $20 million is a wash. We're really looking at 5 years/$80 million with only 35 million truly guaranteed. The $100 million thing just makes the agent and player look good.

Anyway, I agree that this is a bit of a risk. You're right that Vick has had only one great year, but it's not like he was awful before the prison term, he had just never quite developed into a true QB. I think he's learned a lot under Andy Reid and the Eagles' coaches, and that's what they're counting on.

Look at the Super Bowl victory incentives in the contract...If the Eagles get one of those during this contract, any amount of money would have been worth it.

On another note, I also heard that Vick won't be done paying all of his creditors until after the 2014 season, so he can only take about $300,000 the next few years. I know that's still a good chunk of money, but the man's still paying a lot for his mistakes.

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Bond, wait until you see the obscene money Rodgers gets next year. I predict he will break all records. In any case, I see what you're saying, but it just shows how much the NFL is a quarterback driven league. The truly great QBs are so rare that teams will throw money at you for being just very good.

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Good points. I suppose we will have to see how Vick does this year and beyond.

It should be a very interesting year in general.

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Ahh....Aaron Rodgers. As a Bears fan, I want to hate him, but he is so damn loveable. I like Rodgers and I hope he has a lengthy career. The whole "living under the shadow of Favre" thing was BS.

That was the nice thing about Favre. He was a tool and a chode so you could hate that fucker on and off the field.

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On another note, the NFL (as in the company) has taken over Green Bay. It's quite the production to have the first game of the season.

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All I know if Jermichael Finley better score tonight... and often.

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If he can stay healthy (big if), should have one of the best years for a TE in recent memory. I'm not a fan of his less-than-humble attitude though, so hopefully he can keep that under control.

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Ok, the Pack are frightening...

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Looking good so far. Saints can score fast as well though.

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You're welcome for Randall Cobb.


/UK Alum

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Thank you! I haven't seen too much of him except for in this game ... assuming he was quite good in college?

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Yeah, easily our best player for the last couple of years. Played WR and even QB occasionally.

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Do a barrel roll, Randall Cobb! Aw yeah.

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He went into beast mode.

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I was rooting for some OT because it would have been fun, but the Saints pretty much got outplayed in every regard.

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Jason Garrett is gonna be an expert on the Heimlich Maneuver by the end of the season because Tony Romo is always chocking!

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Damn people, no discussion?

Like how about McNabb's horrible game....or Sexy Rexy saying the fucking Redskins are going to win the NFC East.



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Seriously, as a bitter Bears fan...I wish Rex the best. I still have nightmares about that Super Bowl and that season...but you know what, he is a genuinely good guy.


Also, what about Tim fucking Tebow and the whole bible belt rallying to get Orton benched? The Bronco's O-Line looked like shit last week. Orton is as levelheaded as they come, and from what I could tell he made good decisions 75% of that game.

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I cannot in good faith enjoy anything Tim Tebow does for he was a Gator. And I am a Cane (at heart, I'm too poor to go to UM).

Seriously, fuck that guy. My cousins were going to UF and they worshiped that toolbag.

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Sorry about the lack of discussion. I actually completely missed week 1, but I'm hoping to catch more of week 2.

I really do feel bad for McNabb. I loved the guy on the Eagles, but I also love the fact that everyone who said the Eagles fans were too harsh on him, and that the Eagles were idiots for trading him can bite their tongues. The guy was the best QB the Eagles have ever had, and I'm honestly shocked at the quick downfall he's had, but Andy Reid knows QBs...He knew it was time to cut him loose. And the Eagles have gotten two 2nd RD draft picks + Rodgers-Cromartie for their last two starting QBs.(AND a 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley HAHA)" Who knows what they'll get for Mike Kafka (their current 3rd stringer).

As for the Eagles.. I didn't see the game, though from the highlights, I guess Vick had a semi-poor passing game, but made up for it with his legs. The thing is that Reid actually ran possibly the Eagles greatest weapon, Lesean Mccoy! Dude is insanely quick and a great pass catcher. With the Eagles D being much better, they can afford a slight regression from Vick and still be a better team. I think this game with Vick coming back to Atlanta could go either way (with the Falcons getting dominated in Chicago...) I still like the Eagles in a close one.

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Apparently Vick has a concussion and taunted Falcons fans before he left with the injury? I didn't catch the game, and the article I just read was a little vague. I like the Eagles, but I don't think I'll ever like Vick. I feel as though his "come to Jesus" transformation has been contrived and manufactured.

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He was getting a lot of hate and boos from Atlanta, even when he was walking out with his injury. It's not a classy move. If it matters at all I think the Eagles may have won had Vick stayed in.

But yeah, I don't think he is changed. Just more well-behaved.

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KG, it's Packers / Bears week -- who ya got?

I see the outcome of this game dependent upon which Cutler comes to play.

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The only red flag in Green Bay is the number of offensive yards they gave up...and it's sad to see Nick Collins out for the season, that blows.

The Bears have gone down the last two times they met the Pack. We have injuries on our O-Line and we are missing two of our better receivers. We're kind of one-dimensional in that our entire offense is Matt Forte.

Having said all that...as long as the Bear's Defense comes to play, I think we can hold you guys for at least half the game. The rest will depend on if we can cut down the secondary.

I'm gonna say Green Bay 21 - Chicago 16.

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“I want to thank you all for inviting me to speak,” Ryan said. “It was especially gracious of you to host me, even though I’m a Packers fan and I assume most of you are Bears fans. But that doesn’t mean we can’t work together. As chairman of the House Budget Committee, I stand ready to do whatever it takes to help you re-sign Jay Cutler. I’m here to talk about the economy today — about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn’t another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it’s not.”


In all seriousness, I actually like the Bears and think our rivalry is fairly civil. The Vikings on the other hand ... not so much.

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Ahhhh where was the hold??!!! What the hell refs? Horrible reffing....

They should have called a delay of game when Tillman was laying on top that GB player, they should have called pass interference on that long route to Hester, and where was the hold. o_O

Even with the bad reffing, the Pack was still gonna win. The Bears are a mess.

I like this rivalry too....Bears vs Packers is the best.

But how about dem Lions?

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Oh and I'm pretty sure Peppers did not have control of the ball when he rolled out of bounds....but how do you overturn something like that? That was iffy.

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That was definitely some sketchy officiating.

Lions look (possibly) like the real deal.

Vick has a broken hand? Ouch.

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Yeah, another rough one for the Eagles. Teams are picking on their weak spots (LB and Safety) and they are very weak... I don't know, I just thought the Eagles would be better than this. I think they can get better, but it's not looking great so far.

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The issue with the Eagle's defense is completely the fault of the coaches and management. The Eagle's defensive scheme relies completely on the offense scoring points. They went all out pass rush and coverage, ignoring any concern for the run in an assumption that teams would always be playing from behind. To top it all off, the Eagle's pass defense has been terrible with THREE PRO BOWL CORNERS.

And why in hell is Clay Matthews still allowed on the field? He seems to be getting worse week after week in coverage and against the run. I've never seen a linebacker so tentative to make contact or a decision.

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Hey, he has big shoes to fill. ;)

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I agree with this big time. The Eagles rely on getting ahead early. If they don't get that tipped pass on that first drive and take the early lead, they might be okay..

That said, they still come back from 14-0 to take a 16-14 lead after half-time. They had the chance to put the game further away, but had some terrible short down plays. Then Vick gets hurt again and it all falls apart.

I'll agree with Clay Matthews, but this team problems everywhere. I still think they'll be good, but I just don't know. I've overreacted to Reid teams before so I won't do it yet, but if they don't make the playoffs with these players, then some big changes should be made.

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I haven't actually watched a full Lions game yet, I've just seen highlights and bits and pieces of their last two games.

ESPN is hyping them up like they are the real deal. It's probably still premature to tell.

For example, I watched the 4th Quarter of the Bills vs. Pats game, and Fitzpatrick played really well but he also made a few mistakes that could be detrimental down the road. So despite the hype and momentum, I have to think the Bills will come back to earth eventually. The rest of the more established and consistent pack will catch up.

You have to imagine that both Fitzpatrick and Stafford are being studied on tape across the NFL, and that as the season moves forward teams will get better at defending them.

Packers and Lions would be fun. I'm kind of pulling for an epic Bears meltdown. This organization needs new blood, starting at the top with Jerry Angelo. I can dream right?

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Oops, I meant Casey Matthews, not Clay. Clay is the good son.

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Also, one issue that needs to be addressed (at least by the media) is Vick's inability to read defenses or check off to hot routes. The o-line is getting a lot of bad press, but quite honestly they aren't playing badly, and they're actually pretty good at run blocking.

Vick holds on the ball far too long, and I have yet to see him make a audible when faced with blitzes or coverage changes. Look at any high-level QB in this league and you'll see a player who plays brain first and talent second. Vick simply isn't playing like a top-level QB so far this season.

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I've been so confused since you posted your initial post about Clay.

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GOD DAMN.

Forget 72 Virgins, I'll take the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.