Ultimate Nfl Thread 02/03
 

as of December 31st, End of Regular Season

STANDINGS (Playoff teams in bold)

AFC EAST

1.N.Y. Jets 9-7 Division Champs
2.New England 9-7
3.Miami 9-7
4.Buffalo 8-8

AFC NORTH

1.Pittsburgh 10-5-1 Division Champs
2.Cleveland 9-7
3.Baltimore 7-9
4.Cincinnati 2-14

AFC SOUTH

1.Tennessee 11-5 Division Champs
2.Indianapolis 10-6
3.Jacksonville 6-10
4.Houston 4-12

AFC WEST

1.Oakland 11-5 Division Champs
2.Denver 9-7
3.San Diego 8-8
4.Kansas City 8-8

NFC EAST

1.Philadelphia 12-4 Division Champs
2.N.Y. Giants 10-6
3.Washington 7-9
4.Dallas 5-11

NFC NORTH

1.Green Bay 12-4 Division Champs
2.Minnesota 6-10
3.Chicago 4-12
4.Detroit 3-13

NFC SOUTH

1.Tampa Bay 12-4 Division Champs
2.Atlanta 9-6-1
3.New Orleans 9-7
4.Carolina 7-9

NFC WEST

1.San Francisco 10-6 Division Champs
2.St. Louis 7-9
3.Seattle 7-9
4.Arizona 5-11

Stu's TOP 10

1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. Oakland Raiders
3. Tennessee Titans
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5. New York Jets
6. Green Bay Packers
7. Pittsburgh Steelers
8. Indianapolis Colts
9. New York Giants
10. Atlanta Falcons

STATS LEADERS (end of regular season)

QB Passing Leaders

1.Rich Gannon - 4689 yds (26 touchdowns)
2.Drew Bledsoe - 4359 yds (24 touchdowns)
3.Peyton Manning - 4200 yds (27 touchdowns)
4.Kerry Collins - 4073 yds (19 touchdowns)
5.Daunte Culpepper- 3853 yds (18 touchdowns)

RB Rushing Leaders

1.Ricky Williams - 1853 yds (16 touchdowns)
2.LaDainian Tomlinson - 1683 yds (14 touchdowns)
3.Priest Holmes - 1615 yds (21 touchdowns)
4.Clinton Portis - 1508 yds (15 touchdowns)
5.Travis Henry - 1438 yds (13 touchdowns)

WR Receiving Leaders

1.Marvin Harrison - 1722 yds (143 receptions, 11 touchdowns)
2.Randy Moss - 1347 yds (106 receptions, 7 touchdowns)
3.Amani Toomer - 1343 yds (82 receptions, 8 touchdowns)
4.Hines Ward - 1329 yds (112 receptions, 12 touchdowns)
5.Plaxico Burress - 1325 yds (78 receptions, 7 touchdowns)

Stu's Most Valuable Players
QB - 1.Rich Gannon 2.Peyton Manning 3.Chad Pennington 4.Brett Favre
RB - 1.Ricky Williams 2.Priest Holmes 3.Clinton Portis 4.LaDainian Tomlinson
WR - 1.Marvin Harrison 2.Terrell Owens 3.Hines Ward 4.Randy Moss
DEF - 1.Jason Taylor 2.Brian Urlacher 3.Pat Surtain 4.Simeon Rice

Stu's Most Valuable Rookies
RB - Clinton Portis (Broncos)
DE - Dwight Freeney (Colts)
TE - Jeremy Shockey (Giants)

PLAYOFFS

AFC:

First Round

6. Cleveland Browns vs. 3. x - Pittsburgh Steelers (Stu's Pick: Steelers)
5. Indianapolis Colts vs. 4. x - N.Y. Jets (Stu's Pick: Colts)
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1. x - Oakland Raiders (first round bye, homefield advantage through AFC championship)
2. x - Tennessee Titans (first round bye)

x- Division Champion

NFC

First Round

6. Atlanta Falcons vs. 3. x - Green Bay Packers (Stu's Pick: Packers)
5. New York Giants vs. 4. x - San Francisco 49ers (Stu's Pick: Giants)
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1. x - Philadelphia Eagles (first round bye, homefield advantage through NFC Championship)
2. x - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (first round bye)

x- Division Champion

It's Playoff Time :cool:

Interesting...ESPN's rankings are mostly garbage though...

Honestly...I'll be happy if the Bucs win the NFC...if the Eagles made it to the conference finals, we'd beat em no matter what. Home or away, they're scared of the Eagles...Im frightened of Atlanta and Vick more than Tampa, I don't think anyone wants to play them in the play-offs. Anyway, go Eagles, AJ is gonna blow-up, and McNabb will be back to lead us through the Super Bowl, peace.

The Bucs? What have you been smoking?

If the Packers have home field advantage it's all over for the NFC playoffs. :)

It's gonna be Tamba bay v-s Indionapolis or Pittsburg.

Well obviously...but who is 9-2 and who is 8-3 and who holds the tie-breaker at this point? The Bucs...they are in much better position to win it now. And that's what I was saying, I don't care if the Bucs win homefield, I would be scared if the Packers won, but I don't think they will pull it off, considering the Eagles (probably) and the Bucs will have the tie-breakers over them...

What? Did you watch the Eagles Bucs game this year? In case you didn't notice the Eagles won and they are underfeated in the NFC. Thois means as of now they have the tie breaker over EVERYONE in the NFC.

Tampa Bay is a paper champion, and a thin one at that. Brad Johnson has a rubber arm and their defense ISN'T the Ravens defense of 2 years past. Their record is a reflection of their weak as a baby schedule. They have 9 wins, but only 2 of them are on teams with winning records. OOOOOOOH... let me shudder in fear...

The Eagles exposed them and I don't think they will go past their first game in the playoffs, no matter if they have a bye or home field advantage. First game, they lose. Remember I said that.

Damn straight.

Im actually expecting Pittsburgh-Green Bay. That would be like a Dream come true.

On a side note, I found this funny movie on shockwave.com, its about this Pittsburgh Steeler fan who tried to fly to heaven during a Pittsburgh Steeler game, I think its very well made, and its funny.

http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/icarus

Saying that the Bucs are nothing special is also saying Green Bay is terribly overrated, since the Bucs spanked GB last week.

Eagles fans...I think that Philly is a top 3-4 team, but I wouldn't put them ahead of the Bucs...yet

the Eagles have proved that they're quite inconsistant. They got beat by 3 teams in the AFC South, which is considered one of the weaker divisions in football, in 3 meetings. There's no excuse for losing to Tennessee, Jacksonville and then get destroyed by the Colts who were coming off a 3 game losing streak.

And if you're gonna go by only head to head matchups, it would mean that the Texans could be better than any other team in the league since they beat the Jags who beat the Eagles who beat the Bucs who beat the Packers and so on.

the Eagles did expose the fact that Tampa can be quite beatable. But the Colts did the same to the Eagles....only it wasn't a 20-10 game....it was a 35-13 game :unsure:

I still think the Eagles are easily a top 5 team...but not the best

oh, and my prediction for the Super Bowl is Miami vs. Tampa

I see your point...but if there is anything consistent about the Eagles, it's that they beat the Buccanears...2 times in a row in the playoffs and earlier this year in a playoff like game. Also, for now we're talking about playoff positioning within the conference. Ok...we're 1-3 in AFC, but 7-0 in the NFC, which is the main concern at this point. We'll worry about the AFC again when we get to the Super Bowl. I think that if the Eagles secure a first round bye, we'll be a pretty good lock for the super bowl birth...it'll give McNabb more time to prepare (well he may be back for week 17), and a home game at the Vet in it's last year will be insane...But of course, the Eagles have let me down before, and nothing is safe in the NFL these days...it's still way to early to talk, I probably jinxed them...oh well

Well, Miami, to me will not make it past their first match in the Playoff's, that is if they make it. Theirs a lot of teams, that wake of near the end. And Pats are Waking up, Buffalo, Must win tonight, or else, they can nearly say good bye. And The Jets have really woke up, from their horrible start.
So to me, Miami, if they go to the playoff's won't go far. Super Bowl --> Miami "NO". We can find out this week, and next week, who has a better chance to make it.
Green bay, could of clinched Playoff birth like, 2 weeks a go, And they still have to.

We are obviously going to clinch the division, no contest.

Miami???

Ok, someone's been smoking crack again...

And yes, Green Bay is WAY overrated. They are Brett Favre. If Brett plays inconsistently, which he has been, the Packers play inconcistently. As long as they don't get Home Field in the playoffs, which they won't, I have no worries about them.

Yes they will Clinch, but what i'm saying is that they had oppertunities, to clinch 2 weeks a go, but they lost stupid games, that they should have won.

Well, you could say that about any team. We are 2 minutes away from clinching this week, the first team to do so this year.

Woohoo! Guess who is first the old NFC right now? That's right, the Eagles. :D Coupled with the Tampa loss, we have moved into first with the easiest part of our schedule up ahead...If we can win out, which we can and should...The NFC is coming through the Vet baby, look out.

Woohoo I didn't expect us to win both the Rams and the 49ers. Too bad Feeley couldn't throw a touchdown pass, but then again everyone kept fumbling. I think that Feeley did a really nice job. Now the Eagles are 8-0 in the NFC and we are tied for the best record in the NFL so that makes us on top! But since McNabb is out, they can't get cocky just because they are in first place, but I doubt that they will. The Seahawks are going down.

Colts are tied for the lead in the AFC

next up, Titans...bring it on Air McNair

If the Eagles drop another game this season, it will be to the Seahawks, and that would be the idea game to lose if they were to lose one.

1) Its an AFC team. My Iggles haven't done well in that division this year.

2) Second West Coast game in 3 weeks. All those plane rides can't be good.

3) Eagles have come off of 2 emotional games to lay a non-coonference opponent. I smell let down.

4) the Seahawks now have film of Feeley and what he can do. They'll know the majority of plays that he'll run, whicch isn't many. I believe the Eagles ran one play 9 times on Sunday. If they don't get some more plays in there he's in trouble.

If the Eagles lose to the Seahawk I see them winning the rest of their games, seeing as they never lose 2 in a row and the last 2 games are against divisional opponents with no hope for the playoffs, plus they'll have Detmer back by then.

Stu, aren't you Canadian? Shouldn't you be rooting for the Newfoundland Razor Backed Aeronautical Engineers or something? J/K :D

Thread is updated :)

I just wanted to say you're doing an excellent job with this thread Stu. Someone should stickify it if they haven't already.

I do have to say I think you're smoking dope if you think the Falcons are the best team in the NFL. One dimensional. The entire offense is Michael Vick and they have an average defense.

Great. He passed and ran for 173 yards. 173 yards passing for a first string quarterback SUCKS. They bare;y beat the Vikings, who SUCK. I think they might win one game in the playoffs, but thats all she wrote.

Actually Strangler, the Seahawks are an NFC team...they swtiched over with re-alignment and stuff, but I know what you mean about a letdown game...We've been going back from East to West Coast like crazy lately, and Hasselbeck is actually a pretty good QB, he threw for like 400 yards last week. Though Andy Reid has done a great job of coaching and making a good gameplan for our new QB's, so a win is in clear site, but a loss wouldn't be shocking either...I really want us to win these last 4 though...home-field advantage would be incredibly clutch right now...

Whoops, the reallignment has my stuff all screwed up. But I still should have known that... :D

As long as they beat the Bucs I'm happy. :)

The Falcons are 7-0-1 in their last 8 games. Nobody has beaten them since the first week in October. Does it really matter if their offense is one dimensional when they're putting up over 26 points per game? When they lose, I'll throw them back to 7th or 8th, because I don't believe they're the best overall team in the league...their schedule has been easier than other teams', they have some problems on defense, etc....but my power rankings have a lot to do with current streaks, and living up to expectations.

I can't even say who the best team in the NFL is today, so I have to follow other criteria. If the Falcons played the Eagles today I think the Falcons would beat them. The Eagles scored 3 points on offense against the Rams :unsure:

*note* I'm not smoking crack or dope, and I do know a lot about football. Opinions are meant to be differed with.

Hey touchy guy, let it slide. When talking about sports ytou're SUPPOSED to talk about how the other guy who dissagrees with you has no idea what they're talking about. You do this whether they do or not. Its the whole uber-testosterone neanderthal principle of sports :D

No offense meant.

PS - Brian Dawkins would hospitalize Vick if they played today, and then the Falcons would simply go home and forfeit the rest of the season. As for the 3 points of offense last game, take away the dropped balls and abberant penalties and the Eag;es would have scored 17 points on offense with their 3rd string QB. Not to shabby. SO IF YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT FOOTBALL... ACT LIKE IT!!! (remember... uber testosterone neanderthal principle...:D
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Bond... I couldn't agree more. Bucs SUCK and are the most overrated team in football.

You CAN'T take away dropped balls and penalties

that's a huge part of football

3 points on offense is crap...the Colts destroyed the Eagles without Edgerrin James and with the Eagles having a healthy McNabb....explain that :D

Eagles are undefeated in Conference games... you know... ones that MATTER. Explain that. :D

I'll explain it to you...the Eagles are a good team and the only playoff-worthy team they've beaten in the NFC is the Bucs...

the Eagles have had a snore for a schedule

beat teams like Atlanta, New Orleans, Green Bay, Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Miami, then get back to me...good luck in the SuperBowl...the only AFC team you've beaten is the Texans :lol:

who was/is your toughest opponent this year? :confused:

I would hope you wouldn't say the Bucs, considering they 'SUCK'

Now, as I was kind enough to answer your request, please answer mine.

The Eagles lost to the Indianapolis Colts who had recently lost to the Steelers, Redskins and Titans...the score of the game was an embarrassing 35-13, especially when the Colts had no Edgerrin James. To me, no number one team in the NFL should lose a game like that. Please explain :D

Look I'll try to be nonbiased (har har har):

The Eagles have had a very easy schedule this season, but then again so has Tampa Bay. Before I thought Philly was just McNabb... I mean obviously the Falcons are Vick, without Vick the Falcons are Bengal-worthy. But the Eagles have proven to me they can win without McNabb The Eagles have won two games with their 2nd and 3rd string QB. But then again so have the Rams so it is hard to say.

Green Bay could never win without Brett Favre. I mean Pederson is a fairly good quarterback, but it just wouldn't happen. So I find myself respecting the Eagles much more. They aren't just McNabb. In the end football is a game. If the Packers get knocked out of the players I'm going to be cheering for the Eagles.

Although of course the Pack is still better... :p

Well...the Eagles have also played the 49'ers, who will surely come out of the West. Basically we've beaten the division leaders of the South and West and are undefeated in our own conference. Sure, we might not have played that many tough opponents, but that's what happens when you are in an easy division to begin with. Everyone plays easy teams, and it comes down to the playoffs anyway...so hey, sometimes it is about taking care of buisness and beating the teams you are supposed to...The Packers couldn't do it while playing the Vikings, and was Tampa supposed to lose to New Orleans twice? I'll admit, the losses to Tennesee and Jacksonville were pretty awful, though at the same time Tenessee is 7-5 and still in the playoff hunt...I didn't expect the Eagles to lose so badly to the Colts, but it's not like they are a piece of trash team, as you said, they are tied for 1st in the AFC. Again in comes down to this...what does it matter losing to AFC teams when the next 4 regular season (2 playoff hopefully) are against NFC teams? Of course if we get to the super bowl we'll have to play an AFC team, but at that point, it's just one team against another, and we'll see who the true champion is.

P.S: about the 3 offensive points against the Rams...I think that was a beautiful thing...Who doesn't want a team who can only score 3 offensive points and win? As they say, defense wins championships and the Eagles cetainly have a championship caliber defense while still being a top 5 league offense. Plus it was a 3rd string quarterback who is miles below the QB that McNabb is...hence, other teams defenses can focus on our potent running game, instead of having to worry about McNabb. I just think that this proves that we are a real team, it's not like the Rams were pushovers either...they had beaten an undefeated Raiders team and had won 5 games in a row despite their overall struggles...anyway...I've wasted too much time talking football today. :-/

As for the Eagles game against the Rams, there were a lot of fumbles on both sides. It was pretty chilly that evening and very windy so the ball was probably really slick, but I guess there is no excuse for fumbling if you can catch the ball in that kind of weather. And Stu I think that the Eagles can beat the Falcons, Saints, and Packers; but it is the AFC teams that they probably won't be able to beat. The AFC obviously has the tougher teams and it shows, beause look at the records of the teams. No team in the AFC can clinch their division until the last game. The AFC is a very equal conference so most of the team's scores will be equal. In the NFC, teams either have great records or horrible records, so that shows that a lot of teams in the NFC aren't real good, hence why the Eagles have an easy schedule.

Lets see, the Eagles beat the 49ers also, and if you don't think they are a playoff worthy team, you are being just silly. They are all around a better team than ther Falcons. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you. You are blind.

True, the Eagles may have had an easy schedule, but then again they have defeated many teams as they should have, and quite handily.

Flat out: The Eagles are tied for the best record in football, and the team they are tied with they beat handily. If they aren't the best team in football, I don't know who is. But it sure as hell ain't the Falcons.

This is such an easy arguement for you, Strangler, because you have 2 other Eagles fans backing you up.

First of all, the 49ers are WAY overrated. Their defense sucks, and if you contain Terell Owens, any decent team will win. If the 9ers were in a tougher division OR the AFC they wouldn't be making the playoffs this year. If you can't see that, you're retarded and blind.

With a healthy McNabb, the Eagles could very well be the best team in the NFL. (but right now, without McNabb, I can think of a handful of teams who would beat them) I myself can't really decide on who has the most complete team. Here are my nominees for best all-around team when healthy:

Philadelphia Eagles:

A blitz-happy top 3 defense (3rd in total defense to be exact) in the league backed up (when healthy) with one of the most complete quarterbacks in the league on offense. They have a couple of good backs and a deep receiving unit to keep things solidified.

Denver Broncos

Toughest defense against the run (although Tomlinson made a case against that last week) with a talented secondary to keep the big play a no-option. Their offense consists of a deep receiving unit, a very talented rookie back, and a smart quarterback.

Indianapolis Colts

Have turned around their defense to second in the NFL in overall defense. When their offense is on, they're damn near unstoppable. When Edgerrin James is healthy, he's a top 3 back in the league, as he's proven in his first 2 (and only 2 healthy) seasons when he led the league in rushing both years. Throw in the best 1-2 punch in football (Manning-Harrison) and you have the best play-action offense in the league.

Oakland Raiders

Offense is the specialty here. Two THOUSAND catch receivers (plus Jerry Porter), a veteren Pro-Bowl quarterback in Rich Gannon, and the most versitile back in the league (Charlie Garner). Their defense aint too shabby, either. Ranked 12th in overall defense, the Raiders have a very talented secondary. These guys usually take an early lead, and teams find it very hard to come back.

Miami Dolphins

A very well rounded team. On offense, they mix a smart quarterback with young receivers and a train known as Ricky Williams. It doesn't stop there though. With the 5th ranked overall defense, they can win low-scoring games if they have to. One of the most talented young ends in the game (Taylor), linebackers (Thomas) and possibly the best secondary in the league make up their D.

Green Bay Packers

Brett Favre is the heart and soul of this talented team. Their running game mixes finesse with power and the young receivers pull their weight. Their defense complicates me...They lead the league in take-aways, but I also see them do things like have the Vikings light them up and have the Bears score 14 or 17 points in the first half last week.

It would be nice if everyone could list their top 10 teams in the NFL

The Germanator's top 10...
1.Philadelphia Eagles (suprise pick)
2.Green Bay Packers
3.Oakland Raiders
4.Atlanta Falcons
5.Indianpolis Colts
6.Tampa Bay Buccanears
7.San Diego Chargers
8.New Orleans Saints
9.Denver Broncos
10.Miami Dolphins

:hmm:

are you bond in disguise?

right on the money.

Almost on the money!

Here are mine:

1. Green Bay Packers
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. Oakland Raiders
4. San Diego Chargers
5. Indianpolis Colts
6. Tampa Bay Buccanears
7. Atlanta Falcons
8. New Orleans Saints
9. Denver Broncos
10. Miami Dolphins

I've never really liked to list how good teams are though. The Patriots should probably be on there and I suppose the Chargers are ranked to high, but oh well.

Haha, no, but the Pack are my 2nd favorite team...My dad grew up Wisconsin, so he has pushed me to like them a bit, I had to stay with my own hometown team though...

That's right, Wisconsin pride. Did your Dad live in Green Bay? Madison? Milwaukee?

He lived in Madison...he also went to a small college in Wisconsin called Lawrence , I don't know if you've heard of it or something...I went out there once, it's a great state ya got there.