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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ap/iraq_saddam

Take time to read. Basically to sum it up, the US captured Sadaam alive and has already done a DNA test and has proved 100% it is him.

All I felt when I heard this was meh, but maybe its just me.....

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Me(h) too... The whole Iraq mission was a disaster. They better find Bin Laden. :unsure:

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Despite personal reactions, this is big, good news...anyway you look at it. If someone feels differently, speak up. When you see the people in Iraq celebrate...with signs of relief and triumph on their faces...they know there's no way he's coming back to ruin their lives.

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Sorry, I can't find the BS meter for you Angrist. :(

This is very good news. I'm surprised they were able to capture him. Although it seemed as though he almost wanted to be captured...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3113417.stm

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Agreed. This is extremely good news. All you guys who think "meh" when you read this have problems.

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for some reason i dont care i think its because im really tired right now

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I'll say that this is a big thing for the US, but personal feelings are just meh. I don't care that he was caught. 5 to 1 says that Bush incorporates Sadaam's capture into his 2004 re-election campaign.

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Sadaam looks much cooler with that beard.

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NICE!!!!

anyway for sure bush is going to use this in his next campaign

but i think we all know that america will not vote for him

(well at least i wont)

remember he KILLS any economy that he touches i.e. U.s. and iraq (i think)

Rev. Al Sharpton for Prez 2004!!!

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This is great news for the US. But my only personal feelings are: "does this mean my dad is coming home?" and my reply to that is probably not so then my response is "that's nice, but oh well."

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Well no ****. Name one President who didn't put his accomplishments into his re-election campaign. Get a clue.

Wow, we have a ****ing political expert on our hands, amazing (i think). Maybe you should try research before you try to act like you actually know what you're talking about (i think).

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What unit is your Dad with? The DoD is replacing 128,000 of about 150,000 troops in Iraq. CamFu's supposed to be home early, the 82nd Airborne is being replaced in March by I MEF. Find out the unit, there's a good chance he is coming home.

And who's going to replace them? Me! Get some! :minigun:

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:lol: I was waiting for replies like this...keep'em coming people:D

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When I woke up this morning, I turned my computer on and went to my home page (Yahoo), and read the front page news... Damn, this is awesome.

God Bless America!

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I was wondering, with what do they compare his DNA? They have a bank of all villain's DNA or something? :confused:
I'm happy that they caught a bad guy... but I'm not happy for Bush. Sorry...

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Me too.

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Yay, they finally got him....


...or one of his hundreds of doubles.

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Yeah. I mean, I'm excited and appreciative of what was done in Iraq. To me though, our presence in Iraq is really starting to parallel what happened in Vietnam. Many of our troops are getting picked off like flies; and while I really think that the goal was good, I think that there are a lot of soldiers over there that really don't appreciate the way things are being done, and I really can't blame them. It's a great accomplishment, no doubt about it. But for some reason, it just feels like something much bigger is about to begin.

At any rate, yay. I guess I've never felt any surge of patriotism (call me un-American if you like). At any rate, I'm not going to argue the politics of it. Everybody's got an opinion. I respect what was done, and I think that's all I'm going to be responsible for in terms of this.

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They have some type of sample of his DNA. I forget what it is from though...

And Jonbo, you did state the obvious there, can't blame gekko for saying that. Your beloved far left Howard Dean would do the same. He might explode before that though.

You think he kills any economy that he touches? OK...

If you have looked at the market lately it is doing quite well and it will do even better with Saddam captured.

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Its good that we finally got him, but im not going any further than that. Most of you know where I stand.

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This is big, joyous news.

We should have a virtual party.

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*passes round the virtual scotch shots*

mmm virually satisfying

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Hey maybe i did. and guess what? its right here

http://query.nytimes.com/search/arti...5AC0A9679C8B63

go ahead and read it. and guess who was pres. then? and now?

Yes you are right. the u.s. economy is going up because of the capture but the iraqi economy is not. take a look at this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3181248.stm

and this was just about 2 months ago

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Here we go again...

I'm not even going to bother to register at the NY Times website. But I can assure you they are one of the most liberal newspapers in the country.

And for Iraq's economy, months after taking over a country you can't exactly expect them to have a booming economy. Iraq will have a booming economy in a few years though, just wait.

Democracy + Iraq's Resources = Lots of Money

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I think it's stupid that America is saying that Canada can't help rebuild Iraq.

The Iraqis should be more important than contracts.

I remember hearing from my dad that last month some representative from the Middle East formally requested for Canada to rebuild Iraq. Not their buildings. Their country. That made me proud to be a Canadian.

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Ok, let me address a couple of ideas expressed here:

1) The US Economy - Its back up over 10,000 and all signs point to it being even better after Christmas. Also, if you know ANYTHING about the economy, you know that it was the inflated tech stocks and corporate scandals that killed it. All of the damage was done during Clinton's presidency. Bush has had to deal with someone else's screw up. The unemployment rate is starting to go down as well (finally).

2) DNA - There are any number of ways that you can get someone's DNA. A tooth brush, comb, coins, clothes, etc.

3) The Iraq Economy - As was mentioned, its a rebiulding nation that is trying to establish a democracy amid constant attacks by terrorists. Not exactly the environment that breeds confidence in the Dinar from foreign investors. It also doesn't help that our good friends the French, Russians and Germans still refuse to forgive the enormous debt that was accrued under Saddam.

4) Canadians and Others not Getting Contracts - It ain't the UN thats paying for this... its the Coalitions (mainly American too). So you should get OUR MONEY when you're government opposed the action to begin with? I believe the contracts should go to those who have stood by and bled with us in Iraq. Just call me crazy. The fact that you would even expect to get any large contracts from this is insulting and unbelieveably ignorant.

Besides, its all much ado about nothing. Canada, France Germany and Russia will still get contracts, they will just have to be sub-contracted by those who are in the coalition. Get over it.

5) Saddam's Capture - Great news, but I would have preferred they did him like his sons: Kill him and then send out pictures for confirmation. My worry is that if we try him in a court of law it will only serve to give him a soap box before he is found guilty and killed, or worse yet cause un-needed terrorist attacks or hostage situations. Anyway you shake it he's going to die, and everything else is just for show.

6) Iraq Another Vietnam - Oh do shut up. That statement just screams "I'm an idiot. Don't pay attention to me." The only similarity is that guerilla warfare is being employed. THATS IT. Believing that Iraq is another Vietnam is the same as saying the war is "blood for oil" or "conservatives are rascist/evil/baby rapists". It just frees you from the burden of having to think.

I'm very interested to see how the Democratic presidential candidates respond to this news. I think it will be pretty interesting (especially from Dean who has been so vehement in his opposition)

As for the election? If the economy continues to improve and Saddam's capture proves to be as much of a boon to the chances for success in Iraq as I believe it will be, Dean and company can pretty much pack it up. In the end I think that it will come down to how the turnover of Iraq to the native people will go. If it goes poorly, Bush is in trouble. If it goes well, he's sticking around.

But who knows? There's still a long time to come before the next election.

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We don't give a **** about contracts. We're more interested in helping Iraqis. That may be hard for you to understand but that's our take on things. People before profit. Sure there are some crooked politicians here too. But most Canadians would agree with me in saying that helping the people of Iraq is more important than making any sort of personal gain in the deal.

When, discussing politics, you don't look from other people's points of view. You just shoot what others believe down and insult them. That really makes you look like a prick. Try being just the tiniest bit polite.

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I believe Strangler made the point quite clear and simple. It is the United State's money and the United States can do what they want with their own money. It is only logical to not allow any countries that did not support the war to be able to profit from the rebuilding of that country. You also have to consider France and Germany were racking in billons of dollars from Saddam... illegally I might add. You may find it unfair to exclude Canada from bidding, but then it would be unfair to only allow one country that did not support the war to bid.

And a lot of times it is not about shooting people's points of view down, it's about shooting down their misinformed ideas.

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Granted, but others may think you're misinformed.

*flees*

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Ok, I will step in now. I think that it is great news the Saddam has been captured. I personally thought he would have put up a fight, maybe with a couple of armed guards with him too, but he didn't. I just think he looks tired and worn out... I think he knows how messed up he is, and now justice will be served.

Canada is contributing with the effort in Iraq. We are not proving men or equipment for two reasons: The war on Iraq is not a UN approved war, and we simply do not have the troops to send. We have many of our troops in Afghanistan and other parts around the world keeping peace. I feel that now that Martin is Prime Minister, and Saddam has been captured, we will send in a 1-3 thousand soldiers in the next 3-6 months to help keep the streets of Iraq safe.

Does Canada deserve contracts to rebuild Iraq? Yes and no. Canada has been contributing money to the war effort, just not men. If I were in America's shoes, I wouldn't let some country who didn't back me publicly in on the money that will be made.


And gekko, when did you get back? Welcome home man. How did boot camp go? Good to have you back man.

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Yes Canada has sent help in the form of aid, but they also made it abundantly clear that they were against the war. And if all the Canadian companies cared about was helping poor Iraqis, they wouldn't care about having to accept sub-contracting work. Its about the money. Don't kid yourself, Dyflon.

Now I have nothing against Canada. They've always been good allies and of all the countries against the war, they were the most considerate and sensible about it. But they should not expect to get paid by the US to fix up Iraq when those moneys could go towards US and allied companies, which will eventually trickle down to Canada, etc anyway.

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You want contracts to help iraqi's but you wont support a war to help iraqis. Hmmm...

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I agree entirely here. And I really don't see how it is such a big deal if Canada doesn't want the money. If they were in it for just helping they would not be so concerned with getting the contract from the US

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I think the operative word in that sentence is "ideas". You are welcome to disagree with me, or anybody else on this forum. But the truth is, we are all expressing ideas. I expressed mine, but I didn't insult somebody else. Learn some manners before you join the outside world. Gekko, I respect what you're saying, but you could be a bit more tactful as well (no doubt I'll get flamed for this, but whatever).

As to my comment about Vietnam, perhaps I should have been a bit more clear. I didn't really type what I meant because I rushed myself, and that probably warrents your arguement (I have since edited my old post to better reflect what I meant). I also meant that the soldiers view on this war isn't popularly the same as Mr. Bush (and I think his would change if he were the one on the line).

At any rate, rhetoric is a bit more convincing than hot words. I've learned my lesson with this time and time again (as I started on NDose as a cocky little tech-head).

Look, we've all got something to say. A fool speaks because he has to say something; a wise-man speaks because he has something to say.

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Nice quote, where did you steal it from? :D

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I can't remember. Actually, I think there was a "favorite quotes" thread on here a while ago and that one stuck in my head.

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heres my opinion.... for the troops over their, maybe some of them can actually come home and stop slaving under bush, and they can come home intime for the damn holidays to see their families now that this idiot is captured... took em long enough, but as for saddam.... since its REALLY him, i vote, say this how we americans hate terrorists, bend him over, pant an emerican flag on a boot, kick him in the ass, turn him around and then shoot him.... and then that'll end that...


*my opinion*

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blah blaaah political arguements from the usual players etc etc...

I havn't read the whole topic because it's too long for me to read at 1AM...

Has anybody mentioned anything about how we were complaining about our captured troops being all over the news in that area of the world, and us complaining about how it's not right etc etc, then Saddam gets caught and we're like yay Saddam look here he is getting a check-up! We got him! Look! Video! VIDEO LOOK IT'S SADDAM! AND HE'S GETTING CHECKED FOR LICE HAHAHA!...?

Just curious...

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And that's what it's all about. :(