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Originally Posted by Nitram
Did I say it was your fault? No!
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Yeah, but you may as well have come out and said it.
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But your constant implication in foreign countries certainly don't help, as we can see right now. And don't give me that "the world doesn't know what it wants the US to do, they're never happy" crap. As if you listen to the world anyways. You do what you want when you want and that's it. People bring north korea on the table, not because they want you to do something about it, but as an argument to why the invasion in Irak is not justified.
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Are you kidding me? The US has cow-towed to the UN for years, playing the old guard's 800 pound Gorilla only getting militarily involved whenever the UN saw fit. The US had the BEG the UN to get involved in Kosovo while tens of thousands of Muslims were being euthenized right next door to Europe. Somalia was a UN effort as was the first Gulf War.
Now the US finally does something it feels it should do, waiting YEARS for the UN to wake up to the fact that Iraq was in FLAGRANT violation of MULTIPLE resolutions, instead of waiting around for the UN to say its OK whenever they felt like it (which they never would since they were making BILLIONS from Iraq while their people suffered and died), and the US is basically condemned for doing so. I'm sorry, but we are a sovreign nation and not just the muscle that does whatever the UN wants us to do.
I don't think we should have to wait around while OTHER countries decide whats good for OUR country. Considering the cladestine nature of the "don't bother us, we won't bother you" deals that many European countries had with terrorist organizations and the billions being made off of the Oil for Food program, why should we consider what they think we should do to protect US?
I'm sorry if we did something that we felt we needed to do for our own best interests. I keep forgetting that until now that was only what every other country did, especially those in the UN.
But none of this is going to matter. People around the world will continue to hate America simply because we are Americans and are the most powerful nation in the world. We could sit by and do nothing, allow every two bit dictator persecute whomever they wanted, and we would be hated for being isolationist and uncaring, and you KNOW that would happen.
And for the record, if the US went ahead and minded their own business all the time as many believe we should do, you would all be saluting Hitler's grandson right now.
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But we have gotten WAY off topic. The point of this thread was to point out how the press and political structure has completely lost perspective as to what is going on over in the war. The very fact that humiliation gets precedence over REAL torture and murder of CIVILIANS is awful and inexcusable, and I really don't know how you can logically see it any other way.