[Seth]

Minimum wage: Much better than the REAL slave wages of the turn of century tenements, that was well after you claim all of this began. Also, less than two percent of our population work for minimum wage, and most of them are part time. Also, if there is a conspiracy, why is minimum wage being raised over the next few years?

If you look at the industrial revolution, and how it restructured society, I think you'll find that the dawn of the 'middle class' is something unique to only a few decades as well as only a select few western countries. The more recent growth of the middle class in countries such as India and China can't be compared to that of the western world because the rise of the middle class in said countries has only been made possible by the further impoverishment of the majority of citizens. Broaden this outlook and you'll find that the middle class in America, Canada, Japan and Europe has been made possible by the increasing rate of poverty in most of the world. I'm saying that a ridiculously small percentage of the world's population has been able to live within the standards of the middle class while most have been kept in poverty. Minimum wage is being raised because of normal inflation rates. And, to say that minimum wage is increasing doesn't reflect what is occurring elsewhere. It wasn't too long ago that in BC they introduced a 6$/hour starting wage. Increased costs of living have required a basic minimum wage raise, but with the illegal immigrant influx into your country, minimum wage for non-citizens won't increase because they have no political 'merit'. They're illegal immigrants, taking the shitjobs which deliver an obscenely low wage.....and at the same time it's a rich wage if you compare it to the country just south of yours. And if you include the population that works for slightly higher than minimum wage, full time, you'd find that it includes a rather substantial percentage of workers in America. When you combine income tax(which in the united states fuels the war efforts more than anything else) to the already low wages available it helps establish an environment that isn't 'slavery' but it's pretty darn close. Over 500 000 jobs were lost this last November in America. Think about where this is heading in terms of quality of life, overall wage decreases, etc. Economic analysts are predicting upwards of a million lost jobs/month in this new year......

World population and quality of life: Ok, Africa is a mess... what about the rest of the world? Why do you ignore anything that discredits your argument? You still haven't done anything to disprove the OBVIOUS statements I've made.

I shouldn't have to hold your hand and lead you along the train of thought which leads to...the rest of the world outside of Africa. MEXICO, which is right below you, is in a huge mess. There's no work. The money that could be made in agriculture isn't being distributed to local workers because most of the main crop production is now owned by big agri corporations. I just listened to an hour long special on CBC yesterday about how the quality of life continues to decline since the 1994 recession and the onslaught of 'free trade' legislation. Mexico does have a 'decent' middle class, but it's nowhere near the levels of a first world country such as Canada. If we were to travel farther south, you'd find that all the other Latin American countries are experiencing the same phenomenon only worse in most cases. Should we look at Asia? I shouldn't have to point out that just because life expectency is higher in the other continents, quality of life in general is nowhere near the levels that you seem to assume.

If I'm "oblivious" to the truth, then why have you not been able to explain how this conspiracy has failed in terms of population and standard of living? You claim that wealth is not evening out, but thats information from the past decade... what about comparatively over the last 100 to 200 years? You claim this conspiracy is old, and I hold you to that. Once again, this conspiracy fails miserably. If anything, this New World Order would have better met their goals if they kept with the Old World Order.

Again, I think you're ignoring the reality which resides outside your American border. Comparitively, the last 100-200 years has been an era of empires and colonialization which has only brought 'relative wealth' to a select few. We could take a look at the systematic destruction of native culture in every corner of the globe, but that wouldn't have anything to do with the topic of 'conspiracy theories' could it? or could it? and don't try to blame it solely on religious institutions. Religious groups(catholic and protestant alike) were allowed to abuse the native population here in Canada, with government knowledge. I'm not saying the hundreds, thousands of cases of abuse towards natives was completely known to elected officials, but the idealogy of reformed culture was what drove this movement...and this was going on less than 50 years ago! one small example of the new environment being handed out. This falls into the greater conspiracy which involves the religious powers of this world, which I'll elaborate on.

Vaccines: I never said that the vaccines would develop bacteria, I said they would spoil, and they likely would. There are all kinds of chances for them to be contaminated. As for the preservative, its been removed from children's vaccines because thats the only group where there is EVIDENCE that there MIGHT be a detrimental effect. Persoanlly, I think there is a bad effect, but its yet to be PROVEN. As for vaccines no saving lives, thats absurd. I'll agree that hepatitis vaccines are not necessary for much of the DEVEOPED world, but in places like Africa and Mexico Hep A is a definitve threat and Hep B is 100+ times more communicable than AIDS.

I didn't say vaccines don't save lives. I'm talking about required flu vaccinations. This is being legislated in your country. And child vaccines do still contain trace amounts of thimerosal.

Approximately 12 out of the 18 vaccine doses the average American child receives before the age of two contain Thimerosal. Cumulatively, that's more than 200 micrograms of mercury, which would fit on the head of a pin.
According to the EPA, dropping that pin-head of mercury into 23 gallons of water would make it unsafe for human consumption.

Dr. Jane Siegel is a professor of pediatrics at UT Southwestern in Dallas. For the past five years, Siegel has sat on the government vaccine committee that decides which vaccines are mandatory for children.
"I believe there is no data thus far that's been looked at to prove that there's a connection - that there's a causitive relationship," Siegel said.
But just two years ago, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did conduct a study, which showed that three-month-old babies exposed to just 63 micrograms of mercury - less than half of the aforementioned pin top - were two-and-a-half times more likely to develop autism.
The study is stamped "Confidential" and "Do Not Copy or Release." Siegel says it was never made public because it was just a draft.

But once again, if there is a conspiracy, how does any of this help achieve it? How does flouride help the NWO control people? How does the vaccine preservative? By creating autism (if true)? How does any of this achieve the goals you've said the NWO has?

I just assumed that you'd make the connection between lowered IQ levels and the ability to manipulate people of reduced intellect. THAT'S HOW FLUORIDE PLAYS A ROLE. THE KNOWN EFFECTS OF FLUORIDE WERE KNOWN TO NAZI PROPAGANDA SCIENTISTS AND HAS BEEN CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS A USEFUL AGENT IN COMPLACING A SOCIETY. If you damage the developing minds of the people, induced autism for example, then you're ridding the nation of freethinking individuals who have the capacity to stand up against lies and deceit.

And nano-technology? In vaccines? Really?

You should read up on nanotechnology. Also, acquaint yourself with the verichip technology which is already in wide use as of today. It's on all the newly issued credit cards and passports. It can pinpoint the holder's geographic position within meters. Already some corporations in America are requiring implanted chips in their employees. I'm not drawing any correlation between this chip technology and the mark of the beast found within the Bible. I believe it's merely another technology that can be used to control the population. Nanotechnology has the potential to be used in an 'unhelpful' fashion. I believe there is substantial evidence to suggest that it isn't beyond legistlators to impose laws which jeopardize people's safety.

Sun screen was developed by THE MAN??? REALLY???? It couldn't been that in the 40's and 50's our standard of living grew, vacations became more common and with the development of the affordable CAR travel to BEACHES became more popular? It couldn't have been SUN BURN?????? As for Vitamin D, if its part of the conspiracy, WHY DO WE PUT IT IN MILK???? Or is that really nanobots?
For the record, my dad worked out in the sun with no sunscreen all his life, and at age sixty he started going to the dermatologist to have melanoma's removed every 6 months. He's done this every six months for the last 8 years. His skin is do thin in the exposed areas he'll often start bleeding fr no reason when the weather is dry. Please don't make anymore statements like these about sunscreen...

First of all, I'm sorry to hear that about your dad. However, I don't see it as reason enough to not talk about the detrimental effects of sunscreen. If you read my previous statement you'd find that I'm not saying that prolonged exposure to harmful UV rays is without risk. What I'm saying is that an industry has been created which not only is unhealthy, it is a valid danger to those most vulnerable among us...children. What about prior to the 50's, before the influx of migration towards urban centers, when farmers did there thing day in and day out. Exposure to the sun has been around as long as us humans...duh. Fun days at the beach isn't the answer. Of course sunburns increase the chance of developing melanoma. But, when you directly inhibit the bodies ability to produce vitamin D then you are allowing cancer to spread more easily. IT'S A FACT. It's a fact that Canada has some of the highest cancer rates in the world. Did you know that well over 80% of canadians are vitamin D deficient in the winter months? There's a reason why I take vit D suppliments. And it has nothing to do with conspiracies, putting vit D in milk. The body needs vit D to assimulate calcium. Another example of harmful industries, look at the dairy industry. Over and over we've all seen the "be healthy, drink milk" adds funded by the dairy industry. Dairy milk(unless coming from non-gmo fed, non-hormone injected, organic cattle) then it is harmful and will certainly contribute to the overall inability of the body to fight cancer. I'll get into a health debate with you if you want, but I can pull sources all day that discredit the dairy industry's assertations that milk is actually a healthy source of calcium. All the calcium that anybody needs can be gained from eating a proper amount of green leafy vegetables. This brings me back to my point,,, the body needs certain levels of vitamin D to maintain a strong skeletal system. The body produces vit D naturally when sun exposure occurs. However, sunscreen effectively stops the bodies transfer of sunlight into vit D. This is a fact and I have no idea how you came up with your last sentence in regards to vit D being part of a conspiracy. It's just another example that I put forward to show that a healthy society, living long lives free of pharmaceutical intervention is hardly in the 'MAN's' interests. From what the most recent studies are showing, Vitamin D could be the single most easy way of decreasing the chances of one developing cancer. money money monnnnnay
Should I point out the inflated chemotherapy industry...which I would compare to the oil industry in that there's a purposefully inflated need. Did you know chemo treatments rake in huge profits? also, chemo treatment is becoming more and more expensive. If people went the holistic route of health, in the prevention AND treatment of cancer, then more would see chemotherapy for what it truly is, an industry created to treat an extenuated problem. Maybe if people would wake up to the detrimental affects of sunscreen then there would be a little less cancer in the world. NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD GO BAKE IN THE SUN ALL DAY! Common sense says not to slather on a bunch of harmful chemicals over my permeable skin..common sense also would have me cover up my skin with a light, breathable material as a way to avoid skin damage. And just to say, I have two uncles, two aunties, and a grandfather who developed skin cancer so it's not like I haven't been affected by the issue.

And Aids in Africa? Its a drop is the bucket is terms of causes of death. Water born illnesses have a far larger body count than Aids does, including Hep A that I talked about earlier.

Yep, but there's no money to improve infrastructure to inhibit the spread of water born disease. Why is there no money for infrastructure improvement? You can, justifiably, point your finger at the IMF and it's continued use of debt relief policies which continue to cripple developing country's abilities to move forward in positive progress.

ONCE AGAIN: WHARE IS THE SMOKING GUN? WHERE IS ANYTHING THAT TIES TOGETHER THIS CONSPIRACY YOU CLAIM EXISTS. YOU KEEP RAMBLING ON ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, SOME VALID, MOST NONSENSICAL, BUT AT NO POINT DO YOU SUPPORT ANY OF YOUR CONSPIRACY CLAIMS.

If you want to keep responding to my questions, you're welcome to, but at some point I'd think you'd like to keep some of these beliefs tightly under wraps...

Are you looking for written evidence which would indict a group, or individual with ties to the NWO? Pretty hard to find documented evidence tying this all together, that's why it's a conspiracy and the majority of people aren't familiar with its claims. There's evidence all around of the power structure which controls political and economic movement in our world. You just have to open your eyes and identify the hypocrisy for what it is. I can't do that for you. I'd just like to add that I don't understand your last sentence. Why should I keep it under wraps?


mickydaniels:

I just wish there were paragraphs in Seth's replies. And the posting of more conspiracies, particularly the biblical ones.

I'll work on the paragraph's.
Daniel and Revelation are the two primary books of the Bible dealing with end time prophecy. Basically, Daniel points out the four major kingdoms that have ruled up til now. Starting with Babylon, then Medo-Persia, Greece, and finally Pagan Rome. It identifies the Papal power and it's role in the end times. In Daniel a 2300 year prophecy is given which scholarly validates the truth of Jesus Christ as the Messiah, as well as tying it into a linear timeline which tells of the future events that will lead up to the return of God to this planet. The Book of Revelation further explains the end times and identifies the antichrist, the remnant of true believers, and what will happen to both. It's the biggest conspiracy you could ever imagine. I'll diverge further, I'll probably make another thread about it if there's enough interest. I guess it would be called a Bible study so if any of you are up for that then I'd love to.