[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

This whole thread is just funny to me. Starting it with a video from fake news.. I mean fox news first already put it on the wrong foot. From what I know, here are a few pieces of truth.

Did you bother to listen to anything said in the first clip? Pay attention to any of the content? What about the other opinions in it? It looks like Fox isn;t the only one that is guilty of bias...

1) Republican's answer for this financial situation is to have more tax cuts. We watched Bush do tax cut after tax cut after tax cut, and we see how perfectly it worked. If it were up to the republicans we'd get down to 0% tax before they start thinking logically. Tax cuts and giving out free cash to spend to the public does not help the economy, it hurts it.

Most of the Republicans aren't calling for just tax cuts, they also want spending, but they want it aimed at stimulating the economy, and not attempting to replace it. Its a disingenuous argument and its democrats that are abusing this place and time in history to force through a plan with fear and not ideas

If you want to talk about spending plans, then it should be a discussion for appropriations, not stimulus. Its flat out dishonest.

2) Jason is right to an extent, the republicans do NOT want to play ball with the democrats. As much as Obama is sucking up to them, they truly have no intention of buying into his agenda. NOT because the fact that what he's doing may be bad for hte country in the long run, but because they need something to stand on politically. The fact is Obama could come up with a stimulus package that looked like it was written by the heads of the GOP themselves, it could be exactly what they think the country needs, and they'd still reject it for political reasons. They dont' give a shit about the country, they want to have a chance in the next elections..

I should remind you that 11 democrats voted againt this bill in the House. I'd also challenge you to find a Republican who still believes in handing out "free cash" as you put it. In fact, the "free cash" is integral to Obama's tax plan, not the Republicans.

I find it surprising that you would make these gross accusations and you are one of the people who are arguing on this bill without mentioning any of its content. Do you even know what is in this bill, or are are you just upset that the opposition hasn't simply handed the King his crown? Do you really believe that only one side holds the vanguard of honest discussion and debate? Is it possible that Republicans could be against this bill because they believe it would truly harm out nation?

3) The republican party right now is stuck. By them being such a small minority now, with having such a high approval rating president, they have to be a bit more wise about how they go about voting.

Actually, if you look at polls this is one of the best things to happen to Republicans in a long time. The PEOPLE don't like this bill, and they don;t like it because its garbage.

They could sit back and cock block and vote against the stimulus packages that Obama comes up with, and not allow it to pass. If they do this, and the economy gets worse, they will get blamed soley for every problem that happens. Especially considering Obama reached out to them to help them mold the package, they'd be an easy scapegoat for any issues. "We tried to fix things, but they didn't want to help."

What comprimise did Obama make? He talked to Republicans about his views, and that was that. No Republican was invited to help shape the bill in the least. Even Clinton and Reagan worked hand in hand with the oppositon party to shape important bills like this. Obama has done NOTHING similar beside make bold statements and expect everyone simply to do as he says, and when they disagree, accuse them of partisanship.

I really don't think they have a choice but to go with it in the end. Even though they're talking a lot (since Obama empowered them), it'd be a political nightmare for the party if they fight it.

They likely will pass this vote, but when they do the bill will have been stripped down a bit and in the end thats a good thing.

And you seem to be very strongly behind this bill. Why?