[BreakABone]

I just want to clarify since it seems difficult at times for people to see my opinion from any viewpoint but Nintendo's but I'm not debating the success of the PSEye/Natal over the Wii-mote, that won't happen.

I'm debating the stance of things that will hold the PSEye back from any mass market appeal, and just to re-state those points.

1) Complexion, in order to play a single PS Move game, you need at least one PS Move and one PS Eye, neither of which comes in the box.
2) You are already looking at 300 bucks for the console, and at least another 40 for the PS Eye, and the controller.
3) Multiple set-up, just looking at the launch games, some use single Move, some use 2, some use one and a subcontroller. In order to gain the full experience from every game, you need at least 3 controllers.
4) It won't feature many exclusive "hardcore" games, just look at SOCOM, one of their key games, and it features DualShock support, many people won't bother to try it.
5) It is coming 4 years into this console generation, hell it could turn into a 10 year cycle at this point, but I still think its too late to change the momentum.
6) It is coming the same time as the NATAL and much like PS3/360 they pretty much cannibalize the same marketshare.

So that's what I got so far, on the Sony fence/MS fence.

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I'll disagree with you on that.

I mean, it's no secret that the PS3 and 360 are superior machines in every way to the Wii. And it's no secret that the Wii sells good to the target audience of kids, casual gamers and adults who don't like typical games.

It hasn't been a secret for the past 3 1/2 years.
It won't be a secret for the next 3 1/2 years.

I'm sure someone will pull some random numbers out, and I won't disagree that the Wii doesn't sell to different audiences, but has there been proof yet that they don't like typical games. I mean how is Wii Sports/Resort any different than a complition of Sports games? How are Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros and Smash Bros multi million sellers? How does a game like RE 4, that you can already play on the console, able to move over a million copies?

In adopting motion sensing add-ons to it's system, both Sony and Microsoft (Talking about Natal) are shanking Nintendo hardcore, because the one thing Nintendo had going for it that was different than the other systems - is now available on the two superior machines.

I think people have put too much faith into Nintendo only selling on motion controls, and the value of graphics to your average consumer.

And quite frankly, what 3rd party support does Nintendo have to lose? What major franchise will convert Wii owners into PS3/360 lovers? I mean its not like they can brand anything Wii X or throw Mario into it.

Because, I mean - what does Nintendo have technologically, that the other two don't, or won't within a year?

At the end of the day, the balance board and I guess the Vitality Sensor. And I'm not saying that its a game changer just answering your question.

Originally Posted by TheGame

Under 20 million? Wow.. such a bold prediction on your part.

20 Million is being generous quite frankly. The way I see it, a typical console generation is about 5 years, this one is going to go a little longer, so we push it to 6-7 years.

By the time Natal/Move launch we are 4-5 years into this generation. So they have a span of about 2-3 years to sell. Now if we were to be VERY nice to both of them, and say they increase at a rate of a million sold per month (which would be a much faster adoption rate than the PS3 or the 360 achieved thus far), you are looking at a maximum of 36 million NATAL/Move products.

Which as it stands right now, would be more than the number of Ps3 sold worldwide, and about a 95% adoption rate on the 360.

You show me a peripheral that has done anywhere NEAR those numbers, and you can tell me if 20 milion is a bold prediction.

I don't think so either (not this generation anyway). But I do think it will hurt Wii's sales, for every point your ignored.

At this point the only thing that is going to hurt Wii sales is Nintendo itself. Wii sales will slow and that's natural, being in its 4th year, but I really don't see PS3/360 being much of a threat.

It reminds me when people said that once the PS3 came down in price, everyone would see what a joke Nintendo was. The PS3 came down in price and released a new model, and was able to outsell the Wii once, and about 30k units.

The 360 has bested it 4 times, 2 of them were the launch months.

Nintendo outside of the typical $50 dollar price drop, has really done nothing else to try and get new players. They still have options to bundle up Wii Sports Resort/WMP with the console, to drop a black or multi-colored Wii, or who knows maybe this mysteriously Wii HD.

Originally Posted by TheGame

Nothing. It will have the price point advantage, and that's it. And as I pointed out before, according to scores, it has the worst games. So again, as I said before.. if someone wants both the full Ps360 experience, and the full Wii one, but can only afford to buy one or the other (or doesn't want to buy both).. This controller increases the odds that they'd go for the Ps360.

The Wii has Nintendo, it always will have Nintendo.
Love them, hate them, nothing them. They are still hands down, the best developer of games in the world, I mean if you want, just check MetaCritic, no one releases the quantity and quality that they do.

And this has been the question that none of you have answered for quite some time, who was holding out on the HD experience and decided to settle on the Wii?

How many people do you know or do you think was holding out for Motion Controls but with HD graphics? How big of a market share do you expect that to be honestly?