i hate when ppl try to be smart about something they dont know squat about. but anyways[quote]
Originally posted by Shadow Fox
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*waves to Saffire and Killaine*And why is it that you like Eminem's rap ONLY? Find three good reasons for that, then I'll commend you-as well as prove something more in the process...standby.
1. his enunciation - its the one of the best , if not the best out of all the rappers out there. (u can understand him)
2. his creativity and ability to tell a story.
3. his dre produced beats
4. his lyrics are one of the best in the game.
yes, some ppl have the same level of lyrical potential but that isnt enough. all those things and more are reasons why ppl like eminem.
Saffire brought this subject to my attention, and in fact, there are some interesting points brought up by all three parties (journalist, Coolio, and Scott) regarding the issue.
For one, Rev. Paul Scott is correct in the way that the first ammendment is "bended" to cater to the Americans of caucasian descent- think of how long rap was banned in many states because its GENERAL (not wholistic image), promoted violence, drugs and sex...while, well- do I even need to mention Ozzy Osborne, Aerosmith or Marylin Manson's lyrics?
There was even one point where the Million Man March was going to be stopped for fear of "deviant activity", when in actuality, any Woodstock or Spring Break concert could be ten times worse with tons of wild kids with no shirts and an assload of beer and whatnot. There is a difference.
what does this have to do with white ppl not being allowed to listen or write rap music? do u know what your saying? rap = rhythmic articulate poetry. so basically he is saying if some white person were to write a poem and then read it to a rhythm ... that wouldnt be allowed? u cant ban someone from writing poetry and reading it.
The other point is that rap was created and intended to be used for black people to express themselves fully across rhythmic beats and snares about life's trials and tribulation-thus the term "hip-hop culture". Money and mainstream media has, if not destroyed, totally crippled the stance and reason hip-hop stands as an artform- so why not add whatever you want to it now?
ok, what. u read a book that said rap was made by some guy and he said "this is for black people" yeah? and im pretty sure u didnt. how do u know that it wasnt a white person that first rapped? and im pretty sure the first time someone made a verse, or freestyled he didnt have a snare and a rhythm on him. maybe some guy wrote a poem and started saying it to a song.
i dont know. this is like saying who created singing? who created
drinking tea?
Those were about the only valid points Scott made in regards to this; seeing that he knows little to nothing about the entertainment industry (let alone the rap/hip-hop industry) as a whole.
The reporter (I forget his name), made up another interesting point- Eminem taunts the very reason why Scott
should want rap banned from whites. Eminem speaks of how he's "the worst thing since Elvis Presley" (for the uneducated, "Rock and Roll" was taken from Jazz/Blues artforms, also founded by black slaves of the old south as motivational tools). He even speaks of how he "uses rap music rather selfishly" and "used it to get himself wealthy".
While I myself am a fan of Eminem as an artist (the fact that he bars the very buyers of his music through metaphors and blinds the average mind with a catch-phrase to conceal the message is very clever indeed-nwoChris happens to be one of those buyers
), I do feel that Eminem needs to hold his toungue a tad (especially if there would be worldwide panic if say, Nelly started speaking in his same method), and that he does get a little too much favortism and is bending the genre. Since when does a rapper get on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine? Hmmm...
And last I checked, there isn't a bit of "rock" on any album he's done (underground or mainstream), yet groups like Outkast and Goodie Mob have tons of rock samples or full songs, and get overlooked- maybe it's because they convey a strong, positive message, and not just "let the bodies hit the floor" over and over again, but eh...
When was the last time you checked? maybe if u checked ever, ud know he did a song with kid rock. called f--- off and he had aerosmith on the chorus of a song on his new album. if aerosmith isnt rock then wtf is rock. he even had to redo a song on his album because it sounded too much like some -insert name here- song (maybe it was jimi hendrix i donno) (btw it was "haileys song")but thats not the point.
im not gonna discuss if eminem has any rock in him even tho he said 'my new album was heavily influenced by 70s rock music'. i dont think eminem needs to hold his tongue at all. just because of how many people know of him and his music. but w/e.
lol and dont gimmie that "subliminal message crap. ud have to be pretty slow to not realize those messages. maybe if ur 12.....
Finally, Coolio is DEFINATELY correct about the role of white America and rap music- it would not exist without the constant support (and finance tracking/publishing deals) given through the money wad that wealthy blacks (at that point in time) were too "afraid" to invest with. As far as white artists "taking away" from the industry, I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Even if it did, it's sure to make things interesting...Hell, look at football, baseball, basketball, and even golf and tennis now....alot more competitive than it once was in the "Jim Crow" assisted South and Northern United States in the days of old.
yea... if u take rap from whites. then take golf and baseball from blacks. and take basketball from whites. and then everything sucks.
While I do agree that the first ammendment does warrant freedom of speech across all race/genders, that has not ALWAYS been the case, even as of recent. I honestly do believe if the power of Congress was primarily in the hands of a race other than caucasian ethnicity, alot more freedom in music as a whole would be assessed across the entire racial spectrum.
yea probably. although 4 some reason eminem is getting flack for things other black ppl have said a million times b4.
But then again, that's just IMO, so sue me.
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whats your telephone number , adress, and full name.
o and i don only like eminem if that wut ur thinking.