First off: Strangler, I respect your arguement, your tone, and your passion for this topic. You're giving the right facts and responses... If it was only you speaking for the pro-war, this thread would be over by now.
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Originally posted by Ranzid
Maybe all of that is true. Maybe he beats his prisoners, sets up rape camps, etc. And maybe it's a very good idea to remove him from power. But tell me this. Do you actually believe that the US government wants to remove him from power because the population of Iraq is suffering (BTW I don't think they are suffering that much) or because Iraq is a threat to the US? Do you really think that?
What pisses me off is that the US is saying all kind of crap just to make a good impression on people, and in the end it's all about the oil.
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What you just claimed tries to exaggerate the American stereotype. Rather, though, your deep-seated bias has uncovered a certain Canadian stereotype. *shrugs* As much as I try to ignore the two, I can’t help but cringe when they are so blatantly displayed.
“What pisses me off is that the US is saying all kind of crap just to make a good impression on people, and in the end it's all about the oil.”
The old, “I’m going to be pissed at Americans because I believe they live only for themselves, while I’m over in an adjacent country that’s ABSOLUTELY PERFECT,” mindset. Of course, oil is a consideration, but by no means reason enough for war. The United States has Alaska, which remains vastly untapped. There are other various resources for oil.
And… try looking at the oil situation in relation to this… See, back when China was defeated by Japan, the country was split up into the “Spheres of Influence”. That is, China was partially under control by many other countries… similar to what might happen if Iraq where to take conquer the Middle East. After the war, the States requested that no commercial trade would be interfered with between China and other countries. Perhaps this doesn’t make much of an example, but realize that… despite the United States’ desire for maintaining economic health, its success does benefit the progress of the rest of the world. Dare you misinterpret…
“BTW I don't think they are suffering that much”
Aaagh, just because you don’t want to believe the US Government, you’ll toss all reason and empathy for other humans aside.
I can’t imagine a single civilian in a Third-World Country is suffering enough under a tyrant’s sadistic iron fist to make a pure enough excuse to overthrow the corrupt dictator. Well… at least, that is… the people can’t be suffering that much!
The United States of America was under attack on September 11, 2001… as if you haven’t heard it enough. And, because this country (despite its size) could feel enough emotion for those that had lost their innocent kin, the United States retaliated against a known enemy in hopes of preventing more “hurt”. Personally, I can’t imagine another country having the boldness to actually launch an entire “War on Terrorism”. Really, large skirmishes against known terrorist cells should have started long ago.
Now, Iraq has been known to be a threat for a long time. Originally, Iraq tried invading the small Kuwait, but the States prevented that action for more reasons than just maintaining “oil trade”. It just happens to be that economic freedom of Kuwait was a large priority, and that the United States happened to benefit primarily in oil, above other products from the Mid-East. What, should we have let Kuwait to be conquered just because “oil” is not reason enough to intervene?
The United States of America is going to be doing the world a favor… again. The US of A has already given masses of aid to various country, heavily improved the world economy, and grants the ever-so-popular free commerce and civil rights that many foreigners flock to this country for.
Apparently, you’re not respecting the good of America enough. Because you can’t see a positive direct relation between the States and yourself, it’s easy to assume that the country isn’t performing well enough. Before you make another preemptive impression of this country’s actions… and the validity that they are not “arrogant” or “selfish”, try to imagine the world as it would be without the United States’ influence. Canada sure would be different…
And to wrap things up, it matters not the motivations of Bush, nor your feelings toward what you see as a greedy government. Rather, what matters are the outcomes of both options that America has. Act upon reasonable assumptions, or sit back and retaliate after tha damage has been done.
Perhaps, with Saddam, he'll only need one chance.