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Old 04-03-2003, 09:13 AM   #127
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Ok, but this still has to do with my three basic questions. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way a master on Islam. But I think those three questions are the basis of everything that you are saying.

Yes, in America and Britain, upon other countries, you are freely allowed to practice your religion, but...

Lets look at the mostly Muslim/Arab countries:

Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, others.

I don't see people having the freedom to chose their own religion, and women having the same rights as men. Most women aren't even being educated in those countries. What I see are radical governments (Iran) that opress their own people.

So my point is this, it's hard to understand and/or believe what you are saying (at least for me) until you address those questions.
I just want to quickly reply to this. You know what, I agree with everything you have said, again, to a certain extent. But there's one thing we have to remember, there's no such thing as an Ummah now, or a real Islamic state, that all died quite a while before the Ottoman empire reached its peak, or you maybe even before. Where ever you look in these so called Islamic states, there's always a problem. The problem in these countries isn't the religion, it's the people who run them, and also the people who live in them. Not all of them totally abide by the rules set in the Quran.

So really, these countires should not be used as an indication of what Islam should be, and how things should be run under it.

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Define a "true Muslim"... are the followers of Osama not Muslims?
A true Muslim is one that strictly abides by EVERYTHING in the Quran, and the prophet's actions. He is not one that innovates in the religion, or picks and chooses what he wants to follow in the religion.

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Also, from what I heard... Osama can defend every action he has made with the words of the Qur'an.
I'd like to know how. maybe if he went about his action a different way, they 'could' have been justified, but no, none of what happened on 9/11 can, except maybe the attack on the Pentagon (I'm not sure about that).

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But either way, thank you for educating me further on the subject.
No problem, I'd like to help whenever I can.
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