[gekko]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

So we should listen to the largest, most notorious anti-microsoft website on the net.

In an article written with all relevant information being given by an apple employee no less.

Right.

Not to mention the fact that they're trying to prove that the G5, a computer with technology two months ahead of the current intel is the better machine. Again, I should hope it is. The G5 should be whipping the P4 right now, though it's advantages would be marginal at best and non-existent at worse.

Not to mention the price, which you still have no answer for.

Well let's take a look at things...

Do any of these anti-Mac sites have a G5? No. That means no one outside of Apple and Veritest can tell you how good or bad the G5 is. Any PC sites, or PC fans saying the G5 is slower is purely biased, because they don't have one.

Should you trust Apple's VP? Yes. Apple's innocent until proven guilty. He has first hand knowledge of how the tests were done. Do any skeptics? No, they immediatly assume Apple cheated because to them it's impossible for Apple to have a faster machine. They are what we call biased. Apple even offered to re-do the tests, something no company would do if they were not 100% confident the results would be even better.

Can Apple test Intel's machine that's shipping in 2 months? No. Will that machine be better than the G5? Maybe, maybe not. Wait and see. Technology keeps advancing. Intel may pass the G5, AMD may come back and pass both. It's no big deal to Mac users. G4s were much slower than the PC processors, and they kept falling farther and farther behind. Now the G5 is a competetor, and that's all that matters.

As for price, the G5 they tested cost less than the PC they tested. Also, to save you the research, top-of-the-line Macs do not cost much more than top-of-the-line PCs. Thing is, most people who complain about the cost of Macs never buy a top-of-the-line PC. I bought a top-of-the-line Mac in Feb 2001, cost me $700 more than a top-of-the-line PC (except video card, will be explained later) I bought May 2002. The Mac has a DVD burner, PC does not. The Mac has Gigabit ethernet, the PC does not. The Mac has wireless networking, the PC does not. The Mac has FireWire, the PC does not. The Mac also had the top-end video card of the day, the PC was one level down (GF4 Ti4400 instead of 4600). Anyone who jumps on the technology is going to pay big bucks for it. Price is a stereotype against Macs, and it's dropped considerably in the past few years. It's an argument made by the same PC users showing benchmarks for the best PC on the market and saying how much better PCs are. Give me a break, if you can afford the best PC on the market, price is not your concearn.

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Actually, I used macs for two years in grade school before my school got some donated pcs. I have no idea what we were using (on either the pc or the mac front) but because we were so short on funds I can almost guarantee that the macs we owned were still better (specs wise) than the piecemeal pcs we were given and I have preferred the pc since that time. I will admit that even now the majority of the machines in that school are P2s meaning the mac/pc experience I have is a war that was fought many years past but I did make a mac pc decision.

Most people only use Macs in school, and they wonder why Macs suck. My school got new iMacs this last year, which just happened to be 2 years old to begin with. Slow? I would've never guessed.

And that's exactly why I said "own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs." Using a computer outside of your home is entirely different than using one in your home. If you owned and used a Mac at home (by Mac I mean a recent Mac, running OS X 10.2) and you still liked PCs better, I would be happy to debate with you. See, I'm a Mac fan, but behind me is a very nice Windows machine. I know both platforms because I own both, and have used both for years (Macs for 3 years, Windows since 3.1). I don't like debating with PC fans. Why? Because they're Mac-hating fanboys who love to talk about how much Macs suck when they've never used them outside of school and they don't know anything about them except what they've read in debates. How do I know? I was one. Then I bought a Mac.