why would you get married?

[KillerGremlin]

For religious implications?
Social implications?

Also, looking at humanity thus far, is marriage more good, or more evil.

One could argue that marriage represents social regression.

What about western ideas about marriage vs eastern ideas of marriage? What about Islamic (especially "extreme" Islamic) views on marriage? What about arranged marriages? What about the high divorce rates?

Why do brides wear virgin white?
Most do not deserve that right.
But to choose a color of their delight
Would surely bring on the frowns.
-Les Claypool, 1991

Edit: Just an interesting note, marriage predates historical records, so it has been around for quite a long time. And like all things spanning thousands of years, the context and meaning has changed quite dramatically.

[Professor S]

Simply: Because you're in love.

IMO, I never felt completely confident and "whole" for lack of a better term until I met my wife, and my life has improved greatly since meeting her and even more so after we married. Having a family of your own gives you a sense of purpose and determination that is hard to describe. I can honesly say that until you have experienced it, you wouldn't understand completely.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Simply: Because you're in love.

IMO, I never felt completely confident and "whole" for lack of a better term until I met my wife, and my life has improved greatly since meeting her and even more so after we married. Having a family of your own gives you a sense of purpose and determination that is hard to describe. I can honesly say that until you have experienced it, you wouldn't understand completely.

I guess my questions are:
-can't you be in love and not get married?
-can't you have a family and not be married?

I'm not arguing on behalf of myself because I intend to get married someday, but I'm playing devil's advocate for people who prefer not to get married because I know it happens.

I guess maybe it is just something you have to experience to "get."
So maybe in several years from now I'll get back to you on that haha.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

I guess my questions are:
-can't you be in love and not get married?
-can't you have a family and not be married?

I'm not arguing on behalf of myself because I intend to get married someday, but I'm playing devil's advocate for people who prefer not to get married because I know it happens.

I guess maybe it is just something you have to experience to "get."
So maybe in several years from now I'll get back to you on that haha.

I suppose you could be in love and not get married. Getting married just seemed like the obvious thing to do.

To me I think the term family is subjective. Here is my definition: If you would sacrifice your life to save theirs, then they are a part of your family.

[Mr.Molecule]

Originally Posted by Professor S

To me I think the term family is subjective. Here is my definition: If you would sacrifice your life to save theirs, then they are a part of your family.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

[Angrist]

I believe in life-long love, so I believe in marriage. I think it also helps to stay together and solve problems.

I believe it's how God meant it.

By the way, I do object marrying too fast. I kind of almost did that... no good.

[Combine 017]

Id get married for lots of money from the divorce.

[The Germanator]

Hmm, I'd get married if I was in love, but the forced feeling around it would certainly be based around social implications. I dunno, I've just seen so many divorces and troubled marriages around me that there are many times I wonder "what's the point? It seems like people eventually grow apart." Of course, the word marriage popped into my head towards the end of my last relationship. I was in love with her, but now that we've broken up I've begun to think that it could was a horrible mistake to even think about it.

Basically, what's weird to me is that it seems that once people get to a certain age and end up in a serious relationship, they just get married. For example, if I had the 2.5 year relationship I had with my ex when I was in my late 20s instead of my early 20s, it seems that the likelihood that we may have actually gotten married would have gone up big time.

I don't know, I'm kind of mixed up on the whole thing, but I suppose I'll just have to see if I can meet another girl that I feel like I can spend my life with.

[KillerGremlin]

I consider tax purposes a social implication.

Originally Posted by Professor S

To me I think the term family is subjective. Here is my definition: If you would sacrifice your life to save theirs, then they are a part of your family.

I think this definition is brilliant because it is probably an effective description of what kept early humans together thousands of years ago. I completely agree that my family will be a group of people that I will take a bullet for; however, just my immediate family because I have some annoying extended family .

Originally Posted by Combine 017

Id get married for lots of money from the divorce.

By joking you bring up a good point. Is the divorce/court system fair? Effective? Do fathers not have enough rights sometimes?


I see Typhoid is associating marriage with love and a sense to be together with someone forever. This is the most common association and in my opinion probably the most innocent: innocent like...a very natural reaction to "why are you getting married."

I guess as long as the word "bastard" exists, marriage will still be the best route to start a family. And I don't see that changing for a while. I haven't seen that word in this thread yet: Family. Family goes hand in hand with marriage.

Family, as in children? Why can't two people who are in love settle and never have kids? And what about gay couples who want to adopot children, but can't get married. That's a "family." And if you want, I read a few studies that suggest gay adopters make better parents thna some heterosexual parents. One thing we probably will agree on is that kids raised by "a family" tend to do better than kids raised by single parents...not to say some single parents don't do a helluva job, because I know there are some 19 year old moms out there who got knocked up and are busting their ass off trying to make cash to support their kid because daddy won't pay child support.

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Hmm, I'd get married if I was in love, but the forced feeling around it would certainly be based around social implications. I dunno, I've just seen so many divorces and troubled marriages around me that there are many times I wonder "what's the point? It seems like people eventually grow apart." Of course, the word marriage popped into my head towards the end of my last relationship. I was in love with her, but now that we've broken up I've begun to think that it could was a horrible mistake to even think about it.

Basically, what's weird to me is that it seems that once people get to a certain age and end up in a serious relationship, they just get married. For example, if I had the 2.5 year relationship I had with my ex when I was in my late 20s instead of my early 20s, it seems that the likelihood that we may have actually gotten married would have gone up big time.

I don't know, I'm kind of mixed up on the whole thing, but I suppose I'll just have to see if I can meet another girl that I feel like I can spend my life with.

Thank you for your honest and personal response. I agree, I think for a lot of people marriage is/has become a formality. I think people feel if they reach a point in their relationship they have to get married.

[KillerGremlin]

I want to share why I would get married.

I consider marriage a step forward in a relationship...but not a step like "having sex" or "moving in together." In my opinion, marriage is a great way of proving your commitment, and celebrating your love. The whole ring thing pisses me off every time I see a fucking Zales or Jared's commercial, as if the only way she will love you is if you spend several thousand on a rock that was in a volcano's ass for several thousand years. I feel like, if done right, a marriage can be a great part of the human experience. I would like my marriage to be outside, and it is going to be a big party. I want a simple service (basically, not 2 hours long like the last Catholic wedding went to), and then I want a party. I want dancing, I want good food, I want booze...I want it in a nice warm environment (outside), and I want to party into the night. I want to use my wedding as a chance to reflect on the past time spent with my significant other, I want it to be a way to show all my friends and family how much I love this person, and I want to use the wedding as a way of saying, "lots of good things are to come in the future."

I'm not getting married because of pressures of a long relationship...or for money....or because society deems it necessary to start a family. I know several people who have parents who never married. It happens, and for some people it just works.

As an ex-catholic who considers himself agnostic/against-organized-religion, I do think true love/marriage can have a spiritual side. But last Catholic wedding I went to was a joke...it was just so hypocritical. The sinning vs. Catholic tradition; hypocrisy extreme. Actually, pretty normal stuff for Catholics.

Anyway thank you for the responses so far, marriage is a crazy topic of discussion.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

But last Catholic wedding I went to was a joke...it was just so hypocritical. The sinning vs. Catholic tradition; hypocrisy extreme. Actually, pretty normal stuff for Catholics.

Please expand, if you are willing.

[TheSlyMoogle]

I couldn't get married even if I wanted to.

Marriage is a silly social construct to me. I mean it's nothing but a piece of paper.

Socially you get:

Tax breaks
Better Benefits
Better chance at getting credit and stuff.

Why should Marriage be "The Next Step"? Saying it is, it's like saying before you were engaged or married that you would have less on your conscious cheating on your significant other than you would after you were married or something?

I mean, it's only natural to get married because society made it that way. It's "Normal" and so most people who are straight end up doing it.

I also think it's silly that people get extra benefits and perks for signing a piece of fucking paper. Why should those people get benefits that the person who remains single cannot?

I also find people who say that life with their other is so much better after marriage than before... well they're just dumb. I mean honestly what did you do besides have some ceremony, get some rings, and sign a paper that made things any different? Other than perhaps the said commitment in front of people I don't see how that changes things. Look at us we're married, we're committed, we're going to be together now forever. How is that any different than just telling people "Hey this is my gf/bf and I love them, we're going to be together forever." It's not, just option 2 cost a lot less.

Unfortunately society is structured to provide so many perks towards signing that piece of paper that people feel pressured to do so. I mean yeah if you love someone and you're straight or live in a state where gay marriage is legal, fuck yeah, do it. Fuck the system and get more free benefits and shit off my tax money, yet never allow me the right to do it.

So in short...

I think marriage is lame. Just a fucking term. Your ring, your paper, it's all bullshit to me. I feel that if society wasn't so structured toward marriage, if it was stripped of its benefits and perks I feel you would see a lot less marriage.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Bond

Please expand, if you are willing.

My mom's side of the family is Catholic, and my dad's side is Methodist. As I recently discovered having some heart-to-hearts with my dad, he's pretty much an atheist. I assume that is part of the reason why my family goes to Catholic church; my dad probably didn't feel much need to defend his Methodist background.

As far as Christianity goes, Catholicism has the richest history of any denomination just because it is the oldest (the Roman Empire took up Christianity, followed by the split into Roman Catholicism/Eastern Orthodox). Catholicism predates the Protestant Reformation by leaps and bounds, so Catholicism was really a driving force in the history of both Western and Eastern European History.

Just from what I learned at church and at religious education, Catholicism is pretty strict in terms of no sex before marriage, masturbation guilt, confirmation and all that sorts. Part of my decision to move away from Catholicism was because I felt that many of the rules were hypocritical, too extreme to actually follow, and even taking some of the New Testament's teachings out of context. There is also the issue of the Pope, and some of the Pope's are okay: I read one book written by the late Pope John Paul II, and it was both intelligent and optimistic. Pope John Paul II is a rare beacon of both intelligence and philosophy in the Catholic church. I know people love to put down Catholics, and I don't blame them; but before you poo-poo the religion read one of the late John Paul II's books.

But anyway, there is a lengthy Catholic history. I'm not sure when the Catholic church really took an active stance regarding marriage, I believe it was around the time St. Augustine argued that if you want to get close to God you remain celibate...but if you must lust, do so in marriage. Catholic weddings entail a lengthy church service. The service entails mass, communion, prayer, and the whole works. So, adding the wedding you get a 90 minute service.

Anyway, this summer someone on my mom's side got married. He is well off, working a business type job making 250k+ a year. He married into a rich family (mansions, jags, closed gate community). I know both the bride and groom don't follow Catholic teachings. I assume they had premarital sex, I know they didn't lose their virginity to each other (well...don't know about the bride). Just based on some of the family and friends who attended the wedding, a very elitist bunch, I could assume they don't necessarily follow all Catholic teachings...like helping out the poor and not living in excess (but come on, who actually cares about that part of the Bible :eyeroll: )

The priest did a special Homily (speech after the Gospel) for the wedding, and it was just so contrived and hypocritical...it was talking about love and how God is the driving force behind these two meeting and getting married (but what about their past relationships, their past SEXUAL relationships). And then the focus of the Homily shifted to talking about how after the serious church service it is time to go celebrate: let's go indulge in alcohol and food! (isn't gluttony a sin?)

Look, I moved my beliefs away from Catholicism when I realized I was practicing bad Catholicism. I don't hate gays, I'm mostly pro-choice with abortion, I'm down with premarital sex, I don't think I need to go through a priest for confession, and I think 95% of the Pope's are jackasses. Would I be a good Catholic if I went to church every Sunday and suffered because of my beliefs? No, I'd be an effing hypocrite.

I just felt like the religious part of the wedding was very contrived. And some of the people on my mom's side of the family are very religious, so I thought it added to the irony to see this dichotomy of people who obviously practice Catholicism because it is tradition vs. the people who are actually serious about being Catholics.

Other than formality and tradition, what was the point of the ceremony? That's my point.

But hey, maybe they did it the Catholic way. Maybe they had confession before they got married. Problem absolved!

Edit: I'm also well aware of Original Sin. I understand no one is perfect and we will sin. And I understand that I should not be judging because I am a sinner myself. But here's my take on these two things.

Original Sin: Everyone sins. The thing is, if you GENUINELY try to be a Catholic and sin...well that's okay. That is what confession is for. If you remove Catholic dogma from your life save for the one hour you spend at church every week, I do not think you qualify as being a good Catholic. In regard to the second point: I don't think I am being judgmental so much as observant. I made some personal decisions and moved away from the Catholic faith, and one reason was because I felt like Catholic dogma clashed with my own personal beliefs.

[Bond]

Don't forget tax purposes.