Great blurb in the Chicago Sun-Times.

Stonecutter · 08-06-2003, 12:43 AM

It's actually about a week old.

Our friend is their friend

News Item: President Bush issues warning to the world, saying, "My message is that if you harbor a terrorist, you're a terrorist. If you feed a terrorist, you're a terrorist."

News Item: Bipartisan investigation concludes that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were supported by a network of Saudis in the United States and "seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia."

Hmm.

Joeiss · 08-06-2003, 12:56 AM

President Bush means that if you knowingly harbour terrorists, you are a terrorist. Not if you have a terrorist on your land who you don't know about... I thought that was pretty obvious...

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 08-06-2003, 01:45 AM

uhh...its like saying theres a virus in my computer so therefore i support them.

Stonecutter · 08-06-2003, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

President Bush means that if you knowingly harbour terrorists, you are a terrorist. Not if you have a terrorist on your land who you don't know about... I thought that was pretty obvious...

Oh, but they know about them.

they are them.

I believe the number is 20 out of 25 of the 9/11 hijackers were saudis, not to mention countless other atrocities that the saudi's have committed both globally and domestically.

And then they run those vomit inducing "United States and Saudi Arabia" commercials.

Funny, you think it might have something to do with oil? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

kevin · 08-09-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Oh, but they know about them.

they are them.

I believe the number is 20 out of 25 of the 9/11 hijackers were saudis, not to mention countless other atrocities that the saudi's have committed both globally and domestically.

And then they run those vomit inducing "United States and Saudi Arabia" commercials.

Funny, you think it might have something to do with oil? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

And I would like to say that a large part of celebrities are Canadian. Jim Carey, Michael J Fox, etc...

So does that mean that all celebrities are Canadian? NO.

Canadians are also responsible for countless other well-meaning initiatives in the world - food and water in Africa, peacekeepers in war-torn countires, good things both globally and domestically.

Does that mean that all people who do good in the world are Canadian?

So, how on earth can you take 20 out of 25 hijackers and say that all Saudis are terrorists?

Indeed, I find the fact that the Saudi gov't hasn't been all that straightforward about terrorism troubling - but calling an entire country terrorists? How wrong is that?

Isn't it also troubling that in the recent 9/11 report your US gov't blacked out PAGES detailing Saudi involvement? What's Mini-Bush got to hide?

Stonecutter · 08-09-2003, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin

And I would like to say that a large part of celebrities are Canadian. Jim Carey, Michael J Fox, etc...

So does that mean that all celebrities are Canadian? NO.

Canadians are also responsible for countless other well-meaning initiatives in the world - food and water in Africa, peacekeepers in war-torn countires, good things both globally and domestically.

Does that mean that all people who do good in the world are Canadian?

So, how on earth can you take 20 out of 25 hijackers and say that all Saudis are terrorists?

Indeed, I find the fact that the Saudi gov't hasn't been all that straightforward about terrorism troubling - but calling an entire country terrorists? How wrong is that?

Isn't it also troubling that in the recent 9/11 report your US gov't blacked out PAGES detailing Saudi involvement? What's Mini-Bush got to hide?

Um.... what?

That wasn't my point at all.

Did I ever say "all Saudi's are bad?"

The point is that, as far as threats go, there's a bigger threat of terrorism coming from Saudi Arabia than from Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan combined. Rather than doing something about it, we simply turn a blind eye while we needlessly liberate the crap out of poor Iraq and Afghanistan, and threaten Iran. The Saudis sell us oil and then turn around and use the money to fund more terrorism.

But who cares right? Blowing up towelheads is fun, no matter where they live! So lets just pretend that Iraq is a problem, drop some fire on that country so that we can exact some more revenge for Uncle Sam under the guise of "liberation" and continue to take oil from Saudi Arabia so gas prices will go down...... oh wait. That didn't happen either.

Professor S · 08-17-2003, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

But who cares right? Blowing up towelheads is fun, no matter where they live! So lets just pretend that Iraq is a problem, drop some fire on that country so that we can exact some more revenge for Uncle Sam under the guise of "liberation" and continue to take oil from Saudi Arabia so gas prices will go down...... oh wait. That didn't happen either.

Why must liberals constantly fall back on racism and class warfare in their arguments? If blowing up "towelheads" is so much fun, we would be indiscriminantly be dropping bombs on all of them and then just take what we want. Your oversimplifications and attempts to paint those that disagree with you as evil and racist make you sound foolish.

Also, I've pointed out countless times why saying that the USA went to war for oil is wrong, so I won't repeat the reasons again. Lets just say that thinking that the US went to war with Iraq so that oil prices would drop is plain stupid and only serves to free you from the burden of thinking about the subject.

Bond · 08-09-2003, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin

Isn't it also troubling that in the recent 9/11 report your US gov't blacked out PAGES detailing Saudi involvement? What's Mini-Bush got to hide?

First of all, using, "Mini-Bush," makes you sound like a child. Second of all it's not what the U.S. government has to hide, it is what the Saudis have to hide.

gekko · 08-06-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

It's actually about a week old.

Our friend is their friend

News Item: President Bush issues warning to the world, saying, "My message is that if you harbor a terrorist, you're a terrorist. If you feed a terrorist, you're a terrorist."

News Item: Bipartisan investigation concludes that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were supported by a network of Saudis in the United States and "seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia."

Hmm.

*reads*

What's your point?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Oh, but they know about them.

they are them.

I believe the number is 20 out of 25 of the 9/11 hijackers were saudis, not to mention countless other atrocities that the saudi's have committed both globally and domestically.

And then they run those vomit inducing "United States and Saudi Arabia" commercials.

Funny, you think it might have something to do with oil? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*reads*

I must've read it wrong. I actually agree with Stonecutter.

Professor S · 08-06-2003, 12:31 PM

I agree. The United States needs to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for their past and current indescretions. In this case I do agree that it is about oil. Its also all our fault.

The United States, and even the entire Western world has GIVEN the Middle East the power and ability to terrorize. We have allowed ourselves to be dependent on their fuel to the point that the very oil we buy pays for the terrorists and and weapons that are later used against us. Where do you think the Middle East would be without Western dollars buying their oil? Most likely they would be what Afghanistan is currently. A third world nation. We have essentially given barbarians the ability to be barbaric.

Before anyone starts screaming at me for being politically incorrect, lets look at one simple fact. The Middle East is filled with nations with nearly UNLIMITED natural resources, and look at their track record. Its one of religious and political oppression and constant battles in the name of Allah, who in their own religion finds violence abhorrent.

When the history of the world is written, The Middle East will be recorded as a massive failure. Unlimited resources with NOTHING to show for it but waste and ruthlessness.

Kitana85 · 08-06-2003, 12:34 PM

hmmm... I wonder where that money is coming from.. but the worst is the new Patriot 2 bill... letting one man override the courts... :sighs:

Professor S · 08-06-2003, 12:51 PM

Please explain the Patriot 2 bill, I haven't heard of it. If its giving the ability for the President to overturn the judicial system, then thats a HUGE issue. Checks and balances were put into place for a reason.

Joeiss · 08-06-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

When the history of the world is written, The Middle East will be recorded as a massive failure. Unlimited resources with NOTHING to show for it but waste and ruthlessness.

As of now... The Middle East has so much potential, it's a shame that they don't realize it.

Bond · 08-06-2003, 01:16 PM

If the Middle East had no oil they would be Africa. They aren't so bad...

Professor S · 08-06-2003, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

If the Middle East had no oil they would be Africa. They aren't so bad...

Well except for Somalia, Rwanda, Liberia and South Africa. Also AIDS and Hepatitis A have reached epidemic proportions in many African nations due to refusal to use condoms and the practice of many tribes of rubbing animal feces on the umbilical chord after birth.