If you could make a difference....

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by Rubber Kitty

Duuude, have you not heard of the 80's?? Pop was in its hayday back then and totally kicked the crap outta anything today. 80's hip-hop kicked ass too but you can still find great new stuff around like Prefuse 73, Cex, 2nd Gen, and Dev79.

It's all about perspective

Yeah. The 80's had Michael Jackson.. he alone has great pop music.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Rubber Kitty

Duuude, have you not heard of the 80's?? Pop was in its hayday back then and totally kicked the crap outta anything today. 80's hip-hop kicked ass too but you can still find great new stuff around like Prefuse 73, Cex, 2nd Gen, and Dev79.

It's all about perspective

Most modern pop/hip-hop lacks substance though. Same with rap. Especially rap.

I've never listened to 80's pop.

[Rubber Kitty]

Originally Posted by Crono

Most modern pop/hip-hop lacks substance though. Same with rap. Especially rap.

I've never listened to 80's pop.

Of course, if you base your opinion on the crap that the music industry shovels out today. Most of what we have now are just sad attemtps to duplicate what we had in the 80's/very early 90's. Linkin' Park? Pffft, how 'bout Pop Will Eat Itself! The 80's were about fun, now we're loaded down with over-dramatic-angsty-teen vagina "rock".

There's a LOT of great stuff out there, you just gotta look for it

[Typhoid]

This has gotten a little off topic now....Just a smidgen.


the fact is, for what you guys are talking about cant really be argued, music is subjective. Its like arguing the creaminess of peanut butter.

And i remember rreading someone said " You cant get rid of war"

True, part of that reason is because of religion.

Like in the Middle east, they believe that the western civilizations are evil, and if they try to rid the world of it, they will go to heaven.

So i say, one way to make there no more war, would either be one unified religion, because im pretty sure there are hundreds and hundreds of religions. One Unified religion would get the sand out of everyones vaginas.

But the fact isnt trying to get rid of war, its trying to etablish world peace. But it wont ever happen because of religion. IMO anyways.

But if not the religion thing, just make everyone like, or at least tolerate other nations, that way there wouldnt be threast like there are now, no need for weapons and bombs, anything like that. All the countries that pour money into military, and development of larger, stronger weapons, could go into improving society.

Like funding for schools, healthcare, things like that. Build homes for people who need it. Send more money to Ethiopia, actually build working infrastructure in Ethiopia ( and countries in the same predicament as Ethiopia.).

[Rubber Kitty]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

This has gotten a little off topic now....Just a smidgen.

Yeah sorry, I'm woefully skilled at derailing threads

As for the war thing, getting rid of religion would change very little. Everything'll just switch over to possessiveness, especially if natural resources start getting low at any point. You don't need to use God as a reason to clobber someone and steal their land

[Crono]

You're right Tyhpoid, Religion is often the cause of war. Right now Islamic fundamentalists are causing the wars. And Jews too, in the Palestine/Israel bull****.

Also it does come down to race and ethnic backgrounds as well. And even political beliefs. These are other reasons for war, and as long as they exist there will be wars. Which is why I say it's good to have people clearly seperated from each other. When you mix people the outcome is never good.

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Crono

Now is there really such thing as GOOD pop/hip-hop music?

I could name a bunch that are good.

Good recent hip-hop artisits: Aesop Rock, Blackilicious, MF Doom, Kool Keith, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Mr. Lif, Cannibal Ox, Madlib, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Sage Francis, etc.

Good recent pop artists: Of Montreal, The Olivia Tremor Control, The High Llamas, Neutral Milk Hotel, Rilo Kiley, Beulah, Koufax, Quasi, The Busy Signals, Mirah, The Shins, etc.

I agree that a lot of the more mainstream pop isn't great, but better stuff exists.

[Acebot44]

Just a last bit of Off-Topic-ness.

Originally Posted by Crono

Now is there really such thing as GOOD pop/hip-hop music?

If you really want to explore the rap genre, then listen to an album by ALL of these artists. If you've heard all of them then you can see that my style is....well I don't have a style cus I listen to everything. THese are just the peeps that come to mind.:

Top 10

Aesop Rock (Not my style, but some people like him)
Atmosphere
Andre Nickatina
Big Pun
Binary Star
Blackalicious
Brother Ali
Bubba Sparxxx(He's got real skills and great writing. Underrated cus he's white and country)
Cage
Canibus
Cannibal Ox
Cee-lo
Common
Company Flow
Cunninlynguists
Del
Dead Prez
Digable Planets
Gift Of Gab
Hieroglyphics
Illogic
Immortal Technique
Jedi Mind Tricks
Jeru The Damaja
Joe Budden
Jurassic 5
Last Emperor
Louis Logic
Masta Ace
Mos Def
Mr. Lif
Murs
Notorious B.I.G
Outkast
Pigeon John
Rakim
Rehab
Sage Francis
Talib Kweli
Tech N9ne
The Roots
Tonedeff
Twista
Vakil
Vast Aire
Will Smith/Fresh Prince
Wu-Tang Clan
Wyclef Jean
Xzibit

Oh, and if you don't like any of these artist, then that doesnt mean they're not good, just that you're not a hip-hop head. Nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with insulting a genre which others like just because you don't.



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What do you guy's think the world would be like without religion?

Without any consequence for doing wrong (hell and such) wouldn't the world just go crazy? I dunno, I've never been very religious, but I've always seen religion as more of a guideline to my morals. If there was no consequence (or atleast the belief that there is), why wouldnt I kill, steal, and rape?

[Crono]

There's nothing wrong with insulting another genre of music. Ever since Eminem I have hated rap. And all those boy and girl bands gave the pop/hip-hop thing a bad reputation, because I despise them too.

[Hero2]

Originally Posted by Rubber Kitty

I'd make myself ruler of the world. None of this namby-pamby peace and good will crap

EDIT: and then I'd blow up France

Id have to aggre with rubberkitty on this.

although I would make some type of robot or living image of myself so I can rule from the grave.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

When all of you said what you'd do did you think of the consequences?

[Jonbo298]

I'd much rather get rid of Rap past 1995 or so. It's gotten ****ing awful and utterly sad. I see friggin 12 year olds (even younger) walking around, talking like they are black people or think they are a rapper who must go call women bitches and shoot guns or whatever. Rap is not music, its something that has ruined a generation of kids/teenagesrs.

[GameMaster]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

When all of you said what you'd do did you think of the consequences?

Yeah, my idea had no faults.

Originally Posted by Jonbo

Rap is not music, its something that has ruined a generation of kids/teenagesrs.

Quite the contrary.

It is this generation of teenagers/young adults that have ruined rap. Not the other way around. Because they are supporting today's 'rap artists' who have exploited it. I'm not saying all of today's rap artists are, just many or some.

This is just my opinion though and I respect everyone else's opinions.

[dropCGCF]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

Quite the contrary.

It is this generation of teenagers/young adults that have ruined rap. Not the other way around. Because they are supporting today's 'rap artists' who have exploited it. I'm not saying all of today's rap artists are, just many or some.

I dare anyone to listen to any of Twista's early stuff and tell me that rap has ruined popular culture.

If I could make a difference, I would stop stupid people from existing.

[Swan]

You can insult different genres of music. That doesn't mean that genre of music is bad though. If there playing it on the radio then someone must listen to it and like it. You can't dislike someone because of there taste in music. I had a friend like that. He was an ass.

And yes the world would be alot better without stupid people.