Your Religion!

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Oho! Mah bad, captain! Y'mean you know God exists? Do tell me how it is true, all-seeing master! *stabs self a couple times... names the stabbing "sarcasm" and dies of it*

You're missing the point. Faith is belief in the absence of proof. If there was proof that God exists, there would be no reason for faith. Faith is truth beyond logic and reason in the eyes of the beholder.

Physics is also not the beginning and end of the universe. I forget which atom, but in a certain atom it is physically impossible for 2 electrons to switch levels. Guess what? They do. There is no scientist on earth who can figure out why everything they know tell them it can't happen, and it does.

There is so much in this universe that we have no answers for. Do not assume that there is no God just because we can't prove he exists.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

You do NOT KNOW god exists Ginkasa. That's bull****. You THINK he does. It's not a fact.

[Ginkasa]

Yes, I do KNOW he exists. You trying to convince me otherwise is what's "bull****" because its not going to happen. Taking this further will amount to nothing more than us flaming each other so I see no reason to.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Stonecutter]

Wow, how did I miss this one?

You see the face on the TV screen
coming at you every Sunday
see that face on the billboard
that man is me

On the cover of the magazine
there's no question why I'm smiling
you buy a piece of paradise
you buy a piece of me

I'll get you everything you wanted
I'll get you everything you need
don't need to believe in hereafter
just believe in me

Cos Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
and he's been telling me
everything is alright

I believe in the family
with my ever loving wife beside me
but she don't know about my girlfriend
or the man I met last night

Do you believe in God
cos that's what I'm selling
and if you wanna get to heaven
I'll see you right

You won't even have to leave your house
or get outta your chair
you don't even have to touch that dial
cos I'm everywhere

And Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
well he's been telling me
everything's gonna be alright

Won't find me practising what I'm preaching
won't find me making no sacrifice
but I can get you a pocketful of miracles
if you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
just do as I say, don't do as I do

I'm counting my blessings,
I've found true happiness
cos I'm getting richer, day by day
you can find me in the phone book,
just call my toll free number
you can do it anyway you want
just do it right away

There'll be no doubt in your mind
you'll believe everything I'm saying
if you wanna get closer to him
get on your knees and start paying

Cos Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
well he's been telling me
everything's gonna be alright, alright

Jesus he knows me
Jesus he knows me, you know...

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

Yes, I do KNOW he exists. You trying to convince me otherwise is what's "bull****" because its not going to happen. Taking this further will amount to nothing more than us flaming each other so I see no reason to.


*shrugs and walks away*

Are all the religious people here like that? Does everyone just deny the fact that it's possible there is no god?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

Are all the religious people here like that? Does everyone just deny the fact that it's possible there is no god?

Chris, did you bother to read my post? It explains exactly why those who believe in God KNOW he exists.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

I read your post and it doesn't tell me how somebody can say they KNOW god exists when they don't KNOW. Just because someone has faith in something doesn't make it true. They THINK it's true but they don't know. What if I'm lead to believe that I'm going to grow 9 feet tomorrow and I have faith in that... I don't KNOW I will grow 9 feet tomorrow, I think I will.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

I read your post and it doesn't tell me how somebody can say they KNOW god exists when they don't KNOW. Just because someone has faith in something doesn't make it true. They THINK it's true but they don't know. What if I'm lead to believe that I'm going to grow 9 feet tomorrow and I have faith in that... I don't KNOW I will grow 9 feet tomorrow, I think I will.

You used a bad example... use somthing you already do 'know' will happen that you don't question.

Will you have a hard time sleeping tonight just because you may or may not wake up? Do you and will you live every moment of your life like it's your last? If you seriously answerd the above questions you still made an assumption based off of faith. It doesn't matter if you will have a hard time sleeping tonight if I jump through your window right now and shoot you in the head.

Faith is believing in somthing... faith is knowing. Do you know what you are going to do tomorrow morning? Do you know if HHH will eventually lose the belt? These are questions you have probably answerd already but I'm just presenting a source of doubt.

Nobody knows anything if nobody has faith...

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

I read your post and it doesn't tell me how somebody can say they KNOW god exists when they don't KNOW. Just because someone has faith in something doesn't make it true. They THINK it's true but they don't know. What if I'm lead to believe that I'm going to grow 9 feet tomorrow and I have faith in that... I don't KNOW I will grow 9 feet tomorrow, I think I will.

I don't think you understand the meaning of faith when used in religious situations.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

I don't think you understand the meaning of faith when used in religious situations.

I understand faith, and I understand that faith is belief in a questionable situation... I also understand that nobody knows the answer to a questionable situation. You may highly believe you are correct, and you may be very accurate... but nobody knows something until it is proven without flaw.

This thread was made to be open to debate, Strangler. Are you going to discount my belief that there "may be no god", which therefor would put doubt in what you consider fact... or will you understand and respect the differences?

Hey, it's that, or I start saying that I KNOW that "God" doesn't exist, and you won't be able to disagree.

P.S. I understand that you quoted someone else, but I feel your comment was also made toward me ¦¬Þ

[Bond]

You either have faith or you don't. It's that simple, and not worth debating.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Hey, it's that, or I start saying that I KNOW that "God" doesn't exist, and you won't be able to disagree.

Exactly.

And TheGame, I don't know if I'll wake up tomorrow morning. I assume I will because I've waken up every morning for almost 18 years now, but just as people don't KNOW god exists, I don't KNOW I'll actually wake up tomorrow. If that's what you were even saying...

Oh yeah, and I KNOW Triple H won't lose the belt.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Bond

You either have faith or you don't. It's that simple, and not worth debating.

True dat! Good thing I'm not debating faith, but rather knowledge ¦¬Þ

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Bond

You either have faith or you don't. It's that simple, and not worth debating.

And my point is that to have faith there can be no doubt. There is bo such thing as questionable faith. If there is doubt, faith does not exist.

[WiseMan]

People should not believe in god they should just have a good idea.