Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama

[manasecret]

I'm super cereal!

[gekko]

Swapping one politician with another politician still leaves you with politics, and politics is corrupt from the inside out. Good on you for believing in the American dream, but I hate to break it to you, one man doesn't change policy. Hell, he can't even make a law, and doesn't determine most policy. He's simply your scapegoat.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by gekko

Swapping one politician with another politician still leaves you with politics, and politics is corrupt from the inside out. Good on you for believing in the American dream, but I hate to break it to you, one man doesn't change policy. Hell, he can't even make a law, and doesn't determine most policy. He's simply your scapegoat.

well why don't we all just kill ourselves?

[GameMaster]

If you truly care about America and want your voice to be heard you'll do what I did today.

Choose not to vote. I didn't go vote and I encouraged everyone and their grandmother to do the same.

By not playing into their little popularity contest you FORCE them to listen.

And when they finally start listening, you bend them to your will.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

If you truly care about America and want your voice to be heard you'll do what I did today.

Choose not to vote. I didn't go vote and I encouraged everyone and their grandmother to do the same.

By not playing into their little popularity contest you FORCE them to listen.

And when they finally start listening, you bend them to your will.

By not "playing along", they just ignore you. Not voting doesn't send a message to anyone, as its the EXACT OPPOSITE of communicating in politics. If you don't vote, expect them to not care what you think. They don't have to because you don't affect their election so you matter to them.

And Gekko, I've heard that tired cliche of "it doesn't matter, we're all screwed" before and it just shows apathy and a refusal to take the personal effort to care. IMO, you just don't want to take the time or the effort to become inviolved in the election process, so instead you just say it doesn't matter. That frees you from the burden of choice.

[Bond]

Just got done filling out my application for an absentee ballot. Bit of an inconvenience, but not too bad...

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Professor S

And Gekko, I've heard that tired cliche of "it doesn't matter, we're all screwed" before and it just shows apathy and a refusal to take the personal effort to care. IMO, you just don't want to take the time or the effort to become inviolved in the election process, so instead you just say it doesn't matter. That frees you from the burden of choice.

Actually, I don't believe in the "lesser of two evils" theory. When I cast a vote it means I want someone in office, and in reality, there's no one on the ballot I would want as President of this country.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

If you truly care about America and want your voice to be heard you'll do what I did today.

Choose not to vote. I didn't go vote and I encouraged everyone and their grandmother to do the same.

By not playing into their little popularity contest you FORCE them to listen.

And when they finally start listening, you bend them to your will.

Hey! I didn't vote either! But that's only because independents aren't allowed to vote in the primaries... (and because I hate how "official": the primaries are, but mostly because I just plain couldn't.)

[GameMaster]

Oh, oh! What is this!?

[Professor S]

Well McCain is pretty much a lock now, which is fine by me. He's the closest in policy to Rudy who was my favorite.

I think Romney caused his own downfall in the elections. Instead of running as the moderate economist he is, he tried to paint himself as the social conservative, and that killed him in the polls as no one believed it. His exit speech was excellent, though, beyond the rediculous "marriage protection" amendment.

On a side note, my experiment as a registered Republican is about to end. Im so embarrassed by the way that the conservative commentators have reacted to McCain's ascension that I'll be an Independent again next election. It's shameful.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Ron Paul is a racist whack-job asshole. I always have to sneak that one in.

[KillerGremlin]

So...with McCain running...
that like seals the deal for the Democrats, right? You know it sucks when the true conservative Republicans don't like you. Oh well.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

So...with McCain running...
that like seals the deal for the Democrats, right? You know it sucks when the true conservative Republicans don't like you. Oh well.

Well, yes and no. Heres the thing about McCain: Independents LOVE him. In states where Independents could vote in primaries, they overwhelmingly chose McCain because of his reputation as being a free thinking pragmatist and willingness to step across the isle when it serves his cause.

Right wing conservatives have a knee jerk hatred of McCain because he doesn't step in line (or pick fights with Democrats), but I think that can pass in time, especially when the race boils down to either McCain vs. Hillary or especially Obama. The Democrat contenders lean WAY left this election, bordering socialism in many policies, and I think that will shock a lot of conservatives into voting for McCain as the lesser of two evils.

If conservatives come out to vote for the most part and don't try and do some silly boycott, I think McCain has the best chance of any Republican of winning.

[Jason1]

If Hiliary wins the primary, I would say Mcain might have a chance. Thats still a big might. If Obama wins, he has no chance.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

If Hiliary wins the primary, I would say Mcain might have a chance. Thats still a big might. If Obama wins, he has no chance.

Personally I think Obama is going to get anally raped in the general regardless of who he runs against. You can only get by on bullshit and catch phrases for so long before people start asking questions about your experience and actual political platforms.

In the end, his far left state representative record will get full daylight in a general election, something Hillary can't do for fear of alienating the leftist/MoveOn.org base, and that will alienate him from many of the independent supporters than he is pandering to right now. The Republican campaign machine is ruthless, and Obama has so many areas in his past to exploit that he might not win back his Senate seat after the presidential election.

Hope Hillary wins. Thats your best shot.

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Personally I think Obama is going to get anally raped in the general regardless of who he runs against. You can only get by on bullshit and catch phrases for so long before people start asking questions about your experience and actual political platforms.

In the end, his far left state representative record will get full daylight in a general election, something Hillary can't do for fear of alienating the leftist/MoveOn.org base, and that will alienate him from many of the independent supporters than he is pandering to right now. The Republican campaign machine is ruthless, and Obama has so many areas in his past to exploit that he might not win back his Senate seat after the presidential election.

Hope Hillary wins. Thats your best shot.

Not according to this.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ups.schneider/

By "areas in his past" do you mean, "OMG he admitted doing drugs, he's a muslim, his middle name is Hussein, OMG!"

The sad thing is, you're probably right. Our country and the conservatives are asinine enough to bring things up that idiotic and non-relevant that people will believe that it actually matters. It's horrible. It'll just be like the John Kerry swiftboat bullshit where a Viet Nam veteran was as you say "anally raped" for being honest.

I love how honesty is something to attack rather than commend. That's how sad this whole process is.