Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Not according to this.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ups.schneider/

By "areas in his past" do you mean, "OMG he admitted doing drugs, he's a muslim, his middle name is Hussein, OMG!"

The sad thing is, you're probably right. Our country and the conservatives are asinine enough to bring things up that idiotic and non-relevant that people will believe that it actually matters. It's horrible. It'll just be like the John Kerry swiftboat bullshit where a Viet Nam veteran was as you say "anally raped" for being honest.

I love how honesty is something to attack rather than commend. That's how sad this whole process is.

I never said I agreed with it, its just he way it is. I have no problem with Obama's drug use, I used to smoke the dope, but a lot of people will have issues.

I kind of think the Muslim thing is a non-issue, as he isn't one and never was one, but his active membership in a borderline black separatist church might be used against him.

And when it comes down to it, he'll be judged on his past record as well, and the Republican machine will have no issues digging up state rep record which is just to the left of Vladamir Lenin. That will eat up his independent support that will have no issue flipping over to McCain. Add all this up, and you have yourself a big fat loss if conservatives come out to vote.

Kerry was anally raped by the switftboaters due to his own dumbass mistake of running as a war hero after making very public statements against the military after his vietnam service, many of the comments proven to be things that he never witnessed and in many cases never happened. As soon as he said "John Kerry, reporting for duty" at the national convention I knew he was finished.

And don't be so high and mighty in singling out conservatives as being brutal campaigners. The Clintons have their own history when it comes to dirty pool.

[Professor S]

I'm doing it again, aren't I?

I need to learn when to let a political discussion die...

[Jason1]

Okay, heres the reality: People in the country want a change, and that is what Obama is promising. Most people dont read into it as much as you do Professor, nobody is going to know or care just how liberal he actually is.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Okay, heres the reality: People in the country want a change, and that is what Obama is promising. Most people dont read into it as much as you do Professor, nobody is going to know or care just how liberal he actually is.

Well we'll see in November, I guess. People wanted a change in 2004, too, and they still voted for Bush who won by one of the largest public vote margins (not electoral votes) in history.

By just saying "people want change" and will vote blindly to get it, you insult their intelligence. Even in 2006 the big swing towards the Democrats had more to due with centrist Dems running than the leftists winning a mandate. The voting public will want to know what kind of change they will be electing, and once that it revealed, Obama is in trouble if he doesn't move more towards the center.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Well we'll see in November, I guess. People wanted a change in 2004, too, and they still voted for Bush who won by one of the largest public vote margins (not electoral votes) in history.

In 2004, the war was still in its early stages and not nearly as many people were opposed to it. Also, there are a lot of people out there that were worried about a presidential change in the middle of a war. Its a whole different story now. That and Kerry was a terrible candidate for presidency.

But yes, time will tell.

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Well we'll see in November, I guess. People wanted a change in 2004, too, and they still voted for Bush who won by one of the largest public vote margins (not electoral votes) in history.

By just saying "people want change" and will vote blindly to get it, you insult their intelligence. Even in 2006 the big swing towards the Democrats had more to due with centrist Dems running than the leftists winning a mandate. The voting public will want to know what kind of change they will be electing, and once that it revealed, Obama is in trouble if he doesn't move more towards the center.

Also the year they introduced electronic voting machines.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Also the year they introduced electronic voting machines.

And don't forget that freemasons run the country and we never landed on the moon.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

And don't forget that freemasons run the country and we never landed on the moon.

Maybe just the northern states.

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Professor S

And don't forget that freemasons run the country and we never landed on the moon.

Oh Strangler. Try and belittle me if you must. It only strengthens my resolve.




also:

Health Care: Barack states on his web site, www.barackobama.com and in numerous debates, that he plans to create a national health care program. What sets his program apart from others proposed is that the plan would be for everyone, not just a select few. He would then go a step further to create a National Health insurance Board for those who would like to buy their own private insurance. By doing so, the prices of the health care plans would be better regulated. ( Speech on Tuesday, January 22nd after winning South Carolina primaries) ( www.barckobama.com) ( Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008 issue of The UNF News: Candidates Platforms at a Glance)


Iraq: Almost every candidate agrees that some type of withdrawal of our troops needs to take place in Iraq. However they seem to disagree on how it should take place and how long we should allow . Barack Obama states that his time frame is 16 months. However, he would keep some troops in Iraq to protect the United State employees already in position in the country in the Embassy and other diplomatic positions. He then would move a step further to create a Middle East Compact in order to create an international group that would address issues in Iraq, including violations of humanitarian issues. ( Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008 issue of The UNF News: Candidates Platforms at a Glance)

Economy: Barack Obama will concentrate on initiatives that will make American workers more competitive in the work place market of the 21st century. Immediately, he would provide an additional tax break for Americans. The tax break is called the " Making Work Pay Tax Credit." Individuals would receive an additional $500 in their pockets and a family would receive $1000. It is felt that this extra cash in the hands of Americans would help to stimulate the economy as Americans would have a bit of extra cash to use for bills and to spend on extras. ( www.barackobama.com)

Education: Obama's first step would be to revise the No Child Left Behind policy. He states that the policy is a step in the correct direction . However there often is not funding to support the plan. He also feels that children should not be spending most of their years, learning to fill in bubbles on a test. As a previous teacher, I can attest that the standardized state tests are the main focus of education now. The way the policies read, the schools with the highest standardized test scores are the schools that get the most money. So districts, principals and teachers area ll forced to focus mainly on helping children to bring their scores up on these tests. obama questions if this technique is true education. I tend to agree with him. Also, Obama realizes that more and more Americans are unable to go to college because of the cost of higher education. He proposes adding a 44,000 tax credit called the American Opportunity Tax Credit that will offset the first $4,000 that a parent or student spend on higher education. He also would look into a similar plan that California has where city or Junior colleges are often free to the cities residents. His plan would provide for all community colleges to allow free tuition to most of it's students.
(Debates) (www.barckobama.com)

[The Germanator]

Yep, and MSNBC says he wins D.C. All indications say he'll win Marlyland too. Should be another clean sweep and maybe this will start to sway the superdelegates his way as well. Hillary still has good opportunities in Texas, Ohio, and PA, but all this momentum may win it for Barack.

[Bond]

He's speaking at my university right now... was going to go but have a midterm tomorrow.

Great guy, but still a socialist.

[GameMaster]

I just put a Hillary sticker on my front door.