Your Religion!

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Link

Uh, it was me that posted that, not Ginkasa

Yeah. Vampyr, the big quote at the end of your post is from Shadow_Link. Not me.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Shadow_Link]

Originally Posted by Crono

But... we have no facts that a God actually exists. And like Ginkasa said, I guess this is just where the debate ends... neither side can win because both sides do not have the right facts to prove the existence of a God.

But back to replying. My post basically says that there had to be something to create the Hydrogen, and for anything to occur has to point towards a God, a being with immense power. That is the only facts we have on the matter, the fact that Hydrogen didn;t just appear by itself. The fact that electron, neutrons and protons such as ourselves can interact with each other in different ways than say, stars and planets, which are made of the same things we are. There had to be something that allowed life to be breathed into us, and not other things.

I'm really confused by this coincidence stuff really. I mean, with so many coincidences, why isn't it that some new form of life just pops out of nowehere in front of your very own eyes? Coincidences are random right? Then why aren't the sort of coincidnces that supposedly formed us and the universe still occuring till this very day? How can coincidences just stop? It's not as if coincidences have their own path of thought .

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Link

Again, like I said, not Ginkasa .

No actually, I said that one

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

In any case, this is probably where at least this part of the debate ends. Once we get to where I'm saying "You just have to have faith" and you're saying "I can't believe such a thing" then there's really nothing we can do to change the other's mind.

*shrugs and walks away*

[Shadow_Link]

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

No actually, I said that one

My bad!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Link

Again, like I said, not Ginkasa .

But back to replying. My post basically says that there had to be something to create the Hydrogen, and for anything to occur has to point towards a God, a being with immense power. That is the only facts we have on the matter, the fact that Hydrogen didn;t just appear by itself. The fact that electron, neutrons and protons such as ourselves can interact with each other in different ways than say, stars and planets, which are made of the same things we are. There had to be something that allowed life to be breathed into us, and not other things.

I'm really confused by this coincidence stuff really. I mean, with so many coincidences, why isn't it that some new form of life just pops out of nowehere in front of your very own eyes? Coincidences are random right? Then why aren't the sort of coincidnces that supposedly formed us and the universe still occuring till this very day? How can coincidences just stop? It's not as if coincidences have their own path of thought .

Oops, I'm sorry. Lol... like Vamypr I got confused with the avatars.

I get what you're saying about Hydrogen. Of course, right now my knowledge in Physics is quite small, because I'm only in High School... but I'm just not sure what to think anymore. We can't prove there is a God, and we can't prove there isn't one.

And... the coincedence thing is just one of many theories on how things came to be. It may not make sense in some ways, but it's just another idea.

Edit: Heh, "oops" again. It was indeed Ginkasa who said it.

[Rndm_Perfection]

I'll forget about science right now and think about faith.

If you can believe that God just "is", then why can't you believe the universe just "is"? You (err, Ginkasa I believe... crazy avatars) said that the Universe cannot be, that there must be something to create it... so therefor there is a god. However, how can a god exist without being created? And to Shadow Link... it shouldn't be too hard to comprehend, considering humans were the ones who thought of it!

What I believe could be true (based on the logic of the majority on this thread)... is that the universe is your "God". It fits the profile, I guess. If it was a super being, or whatever, it then would not need to be created. And, the universe already had all the materials it needed, floating on one massive canvas (empty space). What I also find interesting, is the "fact" that the universe is infinitely large (or so we think). If it is infinitely large, it would be impossible to have been created by anything, for it'd take an infinite amount of time to create, as it would never be finished... so forth. However, if it "just was" (like what you claim God's origin would be), then it can defy all logic, be any size, anywhere, never ending, never starting. Then we have to go into those apradoxes which I despise so very much under normal circumstances.

And to Shadow Link (I think...) humans can create life, they may not have a real beginning, and they may not have a real end. Just like how your dreams are erased from your memory before you wake (sometimes), perhaps your previous consciousness could be erased. Yet, in dreams we believe it is the present, otherwise we'd wake up.

Now I'm going to have to contradict a previous post of mine and say that maybe we are "dreaming". Yes, it is quite possible that we are just a collective consciousness with the illusions of our mere thought. And, like said in MIB, "we all knew the Earth was flat, and then we all knew the Earth was the center of the universe". I quote that for a really awkward reason. And that reason is moderately related to Vampyr's crazy idea that we have to "believe" something for it to be true (or something like that). Basically, perhaps the Earth WAS flat until proven differently, and perhaps the Earth WAS the center of the universe.. so forth. But, once people with super high charisma can convince otherwise, the majority BELIEVES otherwise, and therefor the universe changes.

Blah blah, contradict this... contradict that. Basically, since we keep looking far into the universe, we keep discovering infinite space. That space is limited by our majority belief. And since our majority has the potential of believing an infinite amount of possibilities... the universe therefor has the potential of being infinitely large.


Right now, I believe that I am a student that needs to find a job, is obsessed with philosophy and therefor animé, and am uncertain about my future. It'll be hard to convince me otherwise. I don't want to believe more than that... and I don't want to know "the origin". However, I do admit that it is fun to figure it out (yes, I had problem solver books as a child).


Finally:

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Random, you should love how this thread is going, with all the randomness we are discussing.

Ugh, do you see what it's done to me?

Aaand: If the majority of humans did not believe in God, would it die?

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

I'll forget about science right now and think about faith.

Oh... but you can't do that. Faith and science are intertwined. They are one in the same. As Albert Einstein said:

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

Aaand: If the majority of humans did not believe in God, would it die?

Of course. Humans fund religion, not God.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Bond

Oh... but you can't do that. Faith and science are intertwined. They are one in the same. As Albert Einstein said:

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."


Of course. Humans fund religion, not God.

Funny that you replied to the very first and last sentences of my post ¦¬Þ.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Random, you should love how this thread is going, with all the randomness we are discussing.



You were expecting the september 11 explosion to make a new universe? please.

No, sir. Obviously, the 9/11 explosion would be minor to the 'big bang.' Which makes it that much harder to believe that an explosion could cause the order seen int the universe and on this planet.
An explosion is an explosion.
Things go BOOM!

Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

But I'm sure you've seen an all powerful superbeing that can create and control everything, right?

Never have.
Never will.
Were you trying to make a point?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

No, sir. Obviously, the 9/11 explosion would be minor to the 'big bang.' Which makes it that much harder to believe that an explosion could cause the order seen int the universe and on this planet.
An explosion is an explosion.
Things go BOOM!

You're wrong. An explosion just isn't an explosion. You mean to tell me that an Hydrogen-Bomb Explosion is just the same as the explosions made on 9/11? All you're doing is comparing size, you need to look at the physics of the different reactions in the explosions. An explosion from an.. H-Bomb, let's say, is completely different because it uses different processes. Also, as I stated before... those who do not have even a slight understanding of physics will probably completely deny this.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Never have.
Never will.
Were you trying to make a point?

The point is a lot of religious people (you for example) say they find it hard to believe that everything was created from a huge explosion (or the big bang theory) because they've never seen anything like that before and it seems too coincidental. Of course, you believe in god though, so I assume you've seen a superbeing bla bla bla before then?

And does nobody else think that the chances that we just haven't figured out how everything was created is a lot more likely than everything that has been thrown about (god, big bang, etc)? Just because god seems to be the most simple and best answer from the different theories that we know about RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it's true.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

And does nobody else think that the chances that we just haven't figured out how everything was created is a lot more likely than everything that has been thrown about (god, big bang, etc)? Just because god seems to be the most simple and best answer from the different theories that we know about RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it's true.

Not only that, but it was one of the first guesses. That makes it even more potentially innacurate. Ever heard of an educated guess, anyone?

[Ginkasa]

God is not a "guess." Christians, Jews, and Muslims (those that are truly faithful anyway) do not just go around saying "How was the universe made? Maybe its some divine being called 'God'."


We say it as fact because we know He did. There is no guessing in faith.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

God is not a "guess." Christians, Jews, and Muslims (those that are truly faithful anyway) do not just go around saying "How was the universe made? Maybe its some divine being called 'God'."


We say it as fact because we know He did. There is no guessing in faith.


*shrugs and walks away*

Oho! Mah bad, captain! Y'mean you know God exists? Do tell me how it is true, all-seeing master! *stabs self a couple times... names the stabbing "sarcasm" and dies of it*

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

In any case, this is probably where at least this part of the debate ends. Once we get to where I'm saying "You just have to have faith" and you're saying "I can't believe such a thing" then there's really nothing we can do to change the other's mind.

No need to type it twice...


*shrugs and walks away*