The Walking Dead: The Television Series - Page 15

Typhoid · 02-14-2012, 03:44 PM

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THIS is what the Walking Dead is about, dude. It's not about the zombies...it's about what extent the humans will go to in order to survive. So far the show has completely missed this, and last night was a total step in the right direction.

I thought about this as soon as I woke up (for some reason), and had a thought about the name of the show.

Is it "The Walking Dead" because it's literally referring to the 'zombies' that are trudging around - or is it a metaphor for the living people who are so untrustworthy due to human nature that they will kill each other. Making them "walking dead".

Vampyr · 02-14-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I thought about this as soon as I woke up (for some reason), and had a thought about the name of the show.

Is it "The Walking Dead" because it's literally referring to the 'zombies' that are trudging around - or is it a metaphor for the living people who are so untrustworthy due to human nature that they will kill each other. Making them "walking dead".

Not sure if just woke up, or been smoking weed.

Typhoid · 02-14-2012, 04:23 PM

Neither?
Both!.

It wasn't really a legit question. More of a "I thought of this early in the morning as the 'possibility' of a metaphor in the name considering the phrase 'dead man walking', and the fact that in the show 'the Walking Dead' the main foes are people who will kill other people to protect people."

While I'm more than aware the show's title is probably not actually a metaphor for people, and more of a literal thing for zombies - I still found it an enticing thought.

BreakABone · 02-14-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I thought about this as soon as I woke up (for some reason), and had a thought about the name of the show.

Is it "The Walking Dead" because it's literally referring to the 'zombies' that are trudging around - or is it a metaphor for the living people who are so untrustworthy due to human nature that they will kill each other. Making them "walking dead".

Its.. not much of a spoiler as Prof says, but yes in the book they come to the same conclusion.

Because, really.. ultimately.. its not about living... but how long they can live before they die.

Professor S · 02-14-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

Its.. not much of a spoiler as Prof says, but yes in the book they come to the same conclusion.

Because, really.. ultimately.. its not about living... but how long they can live before they die.

Well keep in mind there is a BIG plot point that hasn't been revealed yet that isn't exactly in line with Typh's reasoning. Spoilers below:

So far in the TV series a person has been bitten to turn into a zombie, or they have been shown to have a bite mark. The assumption is that the disease is spread by physical contact. In the book it is revealed that if someone simply dies, and is not bitten, they still turn into a zombie. They are all "infected" right now, and all doomed to eventually become the monsters they are fighting even if they are never bitten. Hence, everyone on Earth is or will be the walking dead .

BreakABone · 02-27-2012, 11:27 AM

So.... I know how this sounds... but the women on this show are so worthless overall.

I mean aside from Maggie.

We have Lori, I get into accidents on empty roads.
We have Andrea... I'll shot you because I'm angry
We have Ms. Teen Suicide Now.

And then we had the kitchen exchange. >.<

Vampyr · 02-27-2012, 02:58 PM

The last episode was half good and half absolutely terrible.

The part with Rick, Shane, random guy was good. The half with Lori/Andrea/Maggie/Suicide girl was craptastic. I don't care about this random girl committing suicide, at all. There is someone on the writing staff for this show whose ambition is to always have at least one completely pointless and boring plot thread running at all times.

KillerGremlin · 02-27-2012, 06:28 PM

The comics do empower Andrea and Michonne is a badass female.

So not sure what the show's excuse for being pretty sexist and anti-women. I'm going to say bad writing, because they show laid an egg when they tried to tackle racism in Season 1.

The Rick-Shane-new guy stuff? Fucking awesome. I would give that part an A+. The dialog between Rick and Shane was so genuine too. What is different now? It was nothing like the horrible deer episode...which given the direction the show took, had no business being in this TV show. I hope the writer who wrote that deer episode gets fired from writing. There are too many loose ends, too many characters. Daryl and Carol, Andrea and Dale, Andrea and Lori now, Rick and Shane, Maggie and Glenn. Too many stories to jam into less than an hour of TV while still keeping good character development.

They could have removed the deer entirely.

What's up with the new guy though? I thought his leg was impaled by a fence? Did I miss something? That guy should be out of commission for like 3 months, there's no way you walk after that.

I give this episode an A- because the Rick and Shane stuff was so perfect I actually got wet. I can overlook the stupid suicide stuff, which was just annoying. Here is my advice for the girl who was trying to kill herself:

(Maggie seems like a candidate for a strong character. And she is sexy, so that is at least kind of empowering).

KillerGremlin · 02-27-2012, 09:22 PM

Oh, and what happened to T-Dog?

Women and black folks getting the shaft. I figured they could have done a spin-off comedy bit this episode. T-Dog shows up when Andrea and Lori are fighting in the kitchen, and says:

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Man, these white bitches are crazy!

And then they can add a laugh track, and it would have been the perfect moment.

Swan · 02-28-2012, 12:54 AM

So I hate Andrea now, completely. Her opinion on how she as to choose to live just like she did is ridiculous. The only reason Andrea didn't kill herself is because of Dale constantly making sure she didn't and now she stops people from doing the same to Beth?

I have one question though, the very opening scene, with Rick and Shane talking at the crossroads I noticed that one of the roads was a newly paved, freshly painted road while the rest were old and cracking. During their conversation the new road was behind Rick while one of the old roads was behind Shane, and they had wide shots of each character clearly showing each road. I am curious as to what you think this means?

Angrist · 03-06-2012, 03:30 PM

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What's up with the new guy though? I thought his leg was impaled by a fence? Did I miss something? That guy should be out of commission for like 3 months, there's no way you walk after that.

Not that I expect the show to make any sense, but that part was terrible. The guy's 10cm knee got impaled by a 5cm hooked spike. They're talking about amputating it which made sense. Then because they're in a hurry, they jerk the leg free, against the hooks? Even if a person had the strength to pull a leg free, the leg would be destroyed. You could probably cut the last pieces of flesh and the leg would fall off.
But noooo, forget about that amputation part. The guy gets an operation and the next moment he walks around again.

Talking about super human strength: since when do knives go through skulls so easily?

Aaanyway, that kid is getting scary. He encourages his dad to kill a living human. He plays around a zombie, which then kills the only guy in the group with some conscience left.

So what do you guys think will happen to the hostage? I personally think it's time to leave the farm and move on. I know it won't happen, now that Winter Is Coming, but it would be good for the show. I'm so tired of that farm and the same old whiny people.
So they should take Maggie, hit the road again and drop off the hostage hundreds of miles from the farm.

Vampyr · 03-06-2012, 04:00 PM

The only explanation that makes any sense to me is that the show jumped forward a month or two after that night at the bar.

It kind of makes sense as Hershel has suddenly warmed up to Glenn as well.

They didn't do a very good job communicating the time frame though.

TheSlyMoogle · 02-28-2012, 04:14 AM

So since what I'm about to say has already basically been written differently in the show from the comics, I'm not sure this is really spoilerz... But whatever spoiler tags anyway.
I hate what they've done to Andrea. One of the better characters in the comic, and they've ruined her. I wasn't around for the first season of the show when you guys started this thread and I don't feel like digging back into it, but I'll take this time to say FUCK IT to the last episode of season 1. It was so god awful, and it setup this whole silly fucking Andrea thing that's going on now. "OH I WANTED TO DIE" "OH NO DON'T KILL YOURSELF!" If they hadn't added that last fucking episode none of this shit would even be going on and it's pointless anyway. I would have much preferred they just get on with the whole Andrea and Dale fall in love in the zombie apocalypse despite their age differences bullshit, instead of this shit here. FUCK!

Typhoid · 02-28-2012, 03:00 PM

After talking with Dylan [owns all the comics] last night about the show, it seems to be it's more of a "What if" Universe. As in "What if some of these characters acted nothing like they did in the comic." (I'd be very pleased if I never saw another "this character was better in the comic" comment. I'm sure they were, but it's not like Game of Thrones. It is not a re-creation. It is a re-imagining.)

I will back up the reason I find it so ridiculous to complain about it, which is that since the person who created the comics and the show said they are in no way connected, that should immediately break all expectations and comparisons between the two.

Anyways, the only real gripe I have with last episode was the filler with that horrible actress horribly acting out her horribly written dialogue about wanting to die. That was some of the most painful acting I've seen in my entire life.

Unless it's like some big meta-joke. All the parts with the women are boring and written horribly, and are super slow-paced loads of shit; and all the parts with the guys are super well-writte, well-acted action-packed dude-fests.

But really, though. That chicks acting was almost as bad as watching "The Situation" on The Roast of Donald Trump. It wasn't enough to make me hate the episode as a whole, the parts with Rick and Shane are tooooooooooo great.

Teuthida · 02-28-2012, 05:50 PM

After the first season or early in the second I gave up comparing the show to the comic. They are completely different entities. Which is good, because now I can enjoy it (as much as one can) and be surprised by everything that happens. Before I was just watching things play out in a much worse way than how they happened in the book.