Super Mario RPG vs Paper Mario vs Mario and Luigi

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

I think its an insult to consider this the best Mario game around.

Quite frankly from the little I played, it seemed like an RPG first and it just so happened to have Mario characters in it.

So then what about Mario Kart? Is that a racing game that just so happens to have Mario Characters in it? What about Super Mario Strikers, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball? Are those just sports games that happen to have Mario Characters in it? What about all the Mario Party games?

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Mario was never intended to be an RPG so I think that is an insult to the creators as well as the series to be frank...

Yes, he obviosly was. Or else they wouldnt have made 3 (to my knowledge) Mario RPG-like games.

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Part of the reason it fails is because the new characters in my opinion doesn't exactly fit the mold of the mario universe. Granted at this point its a pretty damn big universe, but atleast the other games were nice enough to give you partners in pre-defined roles like Goombas, Yoshis, Ghosts and all that other stuff while still creating new characters or personalities.

Who is to say what does and doesnt fit? It's a god damn fictional existance. In my eyes, a talking Marshmallow with arms fits into any Mario game about as much as a turtle wearing a helmet who rides a cloud does.

Originally Posted by BreakABone

I think the Paper Mario games are better games simply because they acknowledge that they are Mario games. Sure they are RPGs but they also have tons of platforming, good dialogue and aren't afraid to poke fun of themselves.

A Mario game doesnt need platforming to be good. We're out of the 2D era here. Sidescrolling is over. Platforming can still be used, but it's not the basis of a game anymore. I revert back to my "What about any other Mario game" speech. Show me the platforming in Super Mario Strikers please.




And have you thought that with Super Mario RPG, they wanted to make a "traditional" RPG? And to be fair, there actually is a certain degree of platforming in Super Mario RPG.

[TheSlyMoogle]

And typhoid you forgot to reiterate the fact that Mario RPG is the best Mario game ever.

Yeah... Ever.

Lucky Shell. Bosses from other games, frying pan super weapon. Heck yeah!

[MuGen]

Originally Posted by Dyne

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars is a timeless classic no game can compare to. Such memorable additions to the Mario Universe such as Mallow, Geno, and Booster helped along a brilliant storyline with multiple plot rotations, complimenting impeccable gameplay suited for all types of players - newer players to the RPG genre and peppered, experienced players looking for a much-needed square/nintendo hybrid game. Not only does this game kick Kingdom Hearts' ass at the hybrid genre, it stands as a blistering beacon of when gaming was good and fruitful.

Paper Mario was ok.

Mario and Luigi was funny.

I may be out of place or you may just be referring to games from Nintendo. But there are so many other timeless classics that can compare and can probably over throw SMRPG...

First... I can name one RPG on Nintendo that does compare, and thats the classic Chrono Trigger from SNES. If I would jump over the console barrier I would go on to name Suikoden 1 for PlayStation.

Hmmm...or are you just referring to Mario RPG's Mario Games in general? I can't be certain what I'm disagreeing with ... LOL

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by MuGen

I may be out of place or you may just be referring to games from Nintendo. But there are so many other timeless classics that can compare and can probably over throw SMRPG...

First... I can name one RPG on Nintendo that does compare, and thats the classic Chrono Trigger from SNES. If I would jump over the console barrier I would go on to name Suikoden 1 for PlayStation.

Hmmm...or are you just referring to Mario RPG's Mario Games in general? I can't be certain what I'm disagreeing with ... LOL

Yeah, in the sense that it can't ever be copied. The Paper Marios attempted and didn't make it - although they're still good games.

Chrono Trigger is, by all means, my favourite game. Don't worry.

[MuGen]

Originally Posted by Dyne

Yeah, in the sense that it can't ever be copied. The Paper Marios attempted and didn't make it - although they're still good games.

Chrono Trigger is, by all means, my favourite game. Don't worry.

just so we're clear.... .... ... Chrono Trigger is my most favorite RPG ever, Suikoden in near second. But when I heard a CT Ress. project was going to GameCube I was about ready to buy the GCN. Name any PlayStation/X/2 game... CT on SNES beats it any day

[Fox 6]

Lets not rule out Dr.Mario, very addicting. Though its not an RPG.

[Canyarion]

Dr. Mario is one of the best puzzle games. Multiplayer is so addicting. I really like beating my mother and sisters because I have adjusted my playstyle to bother them as much as possible. My sister won't even play against me anymore, because I'm so annoying.

[Teuthida]

SMRPG sucks. Meh, I just hate it when the majority agrees on something so wholeheartedly.

I played each...never finished. Enjoyed Paper Mario the most though by a large margin.

[Dyne]

There must be something in New York water. Jeez. Either that or you and BaB are smoking the same thing.

[BreakABone]

Ok excuse me on this one just a little drunk when replying.

But you don't see anyone acknowledging Mario Kart, Tennis, Baseball, Soccer or whatever have you as the best Mario game.

My feeling is that the best Mario games has to stay true to all its roots which means being a platformer... granted some will say puzzle like Donkey Kong since that is where Mario made his debut but he became famous with the platformer.

And to say something like Mario RPG or any of the MArio RPGes games are better games than the original Mario Bros orr Super Mario Bros 3 or Super Mario World or even Super Mario 64 ... to me is a slap in the face to the talented people who created the franchise.

So then what about Mario Kart? Is that a racing game that just so happens to have Mario Characters in it? What about Super Mario Strikers, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball? Are those just sports games that happen to have Mario Characters in it? What about all the Mario Party games?

I think there are major differences.

For the most part, I really don't know what SMRPG kept from the games. It created a new universe, new characters who didn't fit any pre-designed mold and well... introduced gameplay that isn't all Mario inspired.

I think atleast for the most part, the other games you mention.. besides soccer to a degree.. takes the Mario universe and fits it into its respective games...

I mena you won't find banana peels and red shellls in other racing games or Tennis games.

Who is to say what does and doesnt fit? It's a god damn fictional existance. In my eyes, a talking Marshmallow with arms fits into any Mario game about as much as a turtle wearing a helmet who rides a cloud does.

While that is true to a degree, I don't see a marshmallow man fitting into the universe, the same way I don't like th big Hawaiin guys from Super Mario Sunshine, but I guess its all subjective.

Yes, he obviosly was. Or else they wouldnt have made 3 (to my knowledge) Mario RPG-like games.

Yet there are 7 platformers, I wonder what genre he was meant to be in....

A Mario game doesnt need platforming to be good. We're out of the 2D era here. Sidescrolling is over. Platforming can still be used, but it's not the basis of a game anymore. I revert back to my "What about any other Mario game" speech. Show me the platforming in Super Mario Strikers please.

I think once you don't have platforming in a Mario game it automatically disqualifies it from being the best Mario game ever.

Its like dubbing a platforming Final Fantasy the best one yet.

And again, there is a difference between using a universe which all the Mario sports games do and making a Mario game like the Mario RPGs are in my opinion.

And have you thought that with Super Mario RPG, they wanted to make a "traditional" RPG? And to be fair, there actually is a certain degree of platforming in Super Mario RPG.

There is no doubt in my mind they wanted to make a traditional RPG with SMRPG, and that is my main beef with the game.

I mean I assume that most of you who like SMRPGs more than the others are more RPG fans than Mario fans which is probably why you prefer it.

Yeah, in the sense that it can't ever be copied. The Paper Marios attempted and didn't make it - although they're still good games.

To be fair, I believe the people behind the Paper Mario games looked at SMRPG as a basis for their games.

But after that, they took whatever was in SMRPG and made it their own and then improved upon it.

I mean as far as gameplay goes, what does SMRPG have over the Paper Mario games?

[Canyarion]

Whoa, you'd HAVE to be drunk to make such a huge reply. And veeeeeeeeery sober to read it.

[Teuthida]

Originally Posted by Dyne

There must be something in New York water. Jeez. Either that or you and BaB are smoking the same thing.

Not sure how Canada's water is but NYC is suppose to have one of, if not the best drinking water in the country. So perhaps we're the only clearheaded ones...

...and then Pen goes and posts drunk destroying this theory.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Teuthida

Not sure how Canada's water is but NYC is suppose to have one of, if not the best drinking water in the country. So perhaps we're the only clearheaded ones...

...and then Pen goes and posts drunk destroying this theory.

That may as well destroy the theory...

Except not in NYC so its still good.

Could be the evil spilling over from Canada that ruined me....