Religions

[KillerGremlin]

I release my thetans all the time.

[Dylflon]

I want to be religious because of how terrified of dying I am but I can't because I'd know I was being a phony.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

I want to be religious because of how terrified of dying I am but I can't because I'd know I was being a phony.

Not for argument's sake, but for conversation's sake;


You'd "know" you were being a phony?
How is that any less closed-minded than "There's definitely a God, Science is wrong".
You're not even leaving yourself any room for spiritual growth.

[Teuthida]

Isn't a lot more comforting to know you simply won't exist after you die rather than have some sort of essence of yourself (What parts exactly? What will be your form? What you looked like when you died?) transported to some other realm of who knows what ruled by some higher being? Believing in an afterlife is far scarier of a concept for me than simply being worm food.

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Not for argument's sake, but for conversation's sake;


You'd "know" you were being a phony?
How is that any less closed-minded than "There's definitely a God, Science is wrong".
You're not even leaving yourself any room for spiritual growth.

I'd know I was being a phony because I'd be being religious when I'm not sure in my heart if I believe in god or not.

[Angrist]

Do any of you follow the news on physics lately? Basically they thought they had figured it out... but now they discovered they haven't. The speed of the expanding galaxy isn't decreasing (as gravity would dictate and which is the basis for the bing bang theory), but it's increasing.
Scientists also can't figure out the behavior of gravity outside our solar system. They can't find enough mass to explain the movement of stars etc. So for years they've had this theory of dark matter, which can't be seen but still exerts gravity. But because apparently that isn't enough, some scientists propose that energy can also exert gravity. And when that isn't enough, there has to be 'dark energy'.....
And then finally there's the recent discovery (presumption) that neutrinos are faster than light.


I'm not saying that stuff like that is a prove there is a God, because that would be a fallacy. I'm just saying that whatever science uses to disprove a God, I'm not buying it. People think they're so clever, while in fact they only understand a small part of the universe.
Oh and I wonder who are worse: scientists who think they're clever, or all the people who just believe them without looking at the facts/reasonings themselves.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Angrist

I'm not saying that stuff like that is a prove there is a God, because that would be a fallacy. I'm just saying that whatever science uses to disprove a God, I'm not buying it. People think they're so clever, while in fact they only understand a small part of the universe.
Oh and I wonder who are worse: scientists who think they're clever, or all the people who just believe them without looking at the facts/reasonings themselves.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

When did scientists try to prove or disprove God?

Physics is an exploratory science that examines our natural environment. It is based on theories which are compositions of ideas that stand up to repeat testing and empirical evidence (i.e. the scientific process). As you stated in your post, many of the theories are being adapted and changed to fit new information. That's the whole point of science and why science is awesome.

Science doesn't prove or disprove God. It never has been intended to do such.

On the other hand.....

[KillerGremlin]

Also, we've known for a long, long time that:

1) The universe is expanding

2) We are accelerating away from everything else

This video is absolutely important and worth your time:




Dark Energy seems to be very real...although I'm not qualified to really defend it so I'll post another video.



And from what I can tell, the jury is still out on the neutrinos that are faster than light. And even if neutrinos do faster than light and we need to make changes in our theories, that is a good thing! I certainly hope we don't know everything. Humans are relatively young, and we have so much to learn. That's why science is great.

But the best part? You can still have a passion for learning and exploration and you can still have religion and God. The existence of God has no baring on environmental observations. You can observe that it is hot or cold outside, and you can attribute that to God or you cannot. Either way, you can observe that it is hot or cold outside.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Also, we've known for a long, long time that:

1) The universe is expanding

2) We are accelerating away from everything else

I thought there were some theories now that the universe is contracting?

And I didnt watch your hour long videos because I cant sit still that long, but ive been watching a newish series called "Into the universe with Stephen Hawking" and it goes over stuff like the expanding universe and dark energy and neutrinos and being able to time travel using a black hole.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Combine 017

I thought there were some theories now that the universe is contracting?

And I didnt watch your hour long videos because I cant sit still that long, but ive been watching a newish series called "Into the universe with Stephen Hawking" and it goes over stuff like the expanding universe and dark energy and neutrinos and being able to time travel using a black hole.

Recent experimental evidence (namely the observation of distant supernova as standard candles, and the well-resolved mapping of the cosmic microwave background) has led to speculation that the expansion of the universe is not being slowed down by gravity but rather accelerating. However, since the nature of the dark energy that is postulated to drive the acceleration is unknown, it is still possible (though not observationally supported as of today) that it might eventually reverse sign and cause a collapse.

buuuuutttt....

But the experts also took a stab at what a contracting universe could look like to an observer billions of years into the future.

“As the present-day observable universe started to get really small, the observer would most likely see some of the things that happened in the early universe happen in reverse. Most notably, the temperature of the universe would eventually get so high that you could no longer have stable atoms, in which case the hypothetical observer wouldn't be able to hold himself together.”

Yikes. But fear not. It turns the expansion of the universe has been accelerating rather than slowing.

Astronomers believe that’s caused by a mysterious dark energy pulling galaxies apart, according to NASA.

“Dark energy is this idea that not only is the universe expanding, dark energy is actually making that expansion happen even faster,” said Marla Geha, as assistant professor of astronomy at Yale University. “The dark energy will actually continue the expansion of the universe forever, so there probably will not be a Big Crunch if we have the numbers right.”

But the continuous expansion would have other consequences. Over tens of billions of years, the galaxies that we see around us would get farther and farther away, making the universe more of a lonely place, Geha said.

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08...-the-big-bang/


I think the Big Crunch is still a serious theory, so you are right that scientists think at some point in billions of years the Universe may collapse. For now, the Universe is expanding and will continue to do so for a while.

[Angrist]

Maybe it's interesting to note that the Bible doesn't speak of faith as something you merely hope... It's more than that, it's based on good arguments, on a good study of the Bible etc.

So if you wonder if there's something out there, just give it a more thorough look.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Originally Posted by Angrist

Maybe it's interesting to note that the Bible doesn't speak of faith as something you merely hope... It's more than that, it's based on good arguments, on a good study of the Bible etc.

So if you wonder if there's something out there, just give it a more thorough look.

Lol...

Have you even fully read and understood the bible?

I mean really?

BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS FUCKED UP!!!

Which actually makes it a pretty interesting read. I really wish more people had read it, and realized that for the most part any modern day preacher/pastor/priest/whateverscientologybuttfuckleader/bullshitdude is saying is mostly out of context to avoid a lot of the fucked up shit the bible says.

[Bond]

The nobel prize in physics was awarded this year to a bro that figured out the universe is not only expanding, but that it is expanding at an increased rate (I think KG already said this). The universe may eventually contract, but it currently is not (at least this is current thinking).

[Angrist]

I've read the Bible once, I'm on my 2nd read-through at the moment (with 4 pages per day it should take a bit more than a year to finish it).

[TheSlyMoogle]

Originally Posted by Angrist

(with 4 pages per day it should take a bit more than a year to finish it).

How can you expect to read and fully comprehend something at the pace of 4 pages a day?

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