State of Israel - Page 2

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:08 PM

I'm serious, people can't use unwitnessed/unrecorded events as testimony for ownership of a piece of land.

Professor S · 09-03-2003, 07:16 PM

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.

And who was granted authority to "give" land. I don't remember my parents voting for someone who would be responcible for giving and taking land from people.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

And who was granted authority to "give" land. I don't remember my parents voting for someone who would be responcible for giving and taking land from people.

GOD!!! They both have "records" saying that God gave their people that land. Its in their scripture.

They believe the land's their's like they believe God made the universe.

*shurgs and walks away*

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:22 PM

Wouldn't fighting over the land with one another (whom both believe God granted them it) be defying God's word by trying to take the land from someone else who says God gave it to them. Both parties are at fault as far as I'm concerned and both have rallied up enough bad sin to send the whole human race to the underworld.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 07:24 PM

Each side believes that God didn't really give the other the land of course. That's why they're fighting. Whoever finally wins and gets the land will have had God on their side and prove that they were the true recipitents to the land.

*shrugs and walks away*

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa

Each side believes that God didn't really give the other the land of course. That's why they're fighting. Whoever finally wins and gets the land will have had God on their side and prove that they were the true recipitents to the land.

*shrugs and walks away*

Call me an elephant if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that suggest that God advocates violence and is bias against certain cultures and races?

Who would want to believe in a God like that?

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 07:32 PM

He is biased towards those that believe in Him of course. That's why those that believe in Him go to heaven and those that don't go down to hell.

Now, the Jews believe that that Israel is their Holy Land. Given to them to protect them from persecution, the exodus from Egypt and all that. Then they were kicked out and kept out and mass murdered and...

Jews have a hard time..

I'm not sure why the Palestinians believe its their Holy Land, just that they do...

Anyway...

I'm not saying I support what they're doing or believe that God would rather have them kill each other over the land, I'm just saying I know what they believe and what they're thinking.

*shrugs and walks away*

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:36 PM

If God truly cared for them, he would have given everyone an equal and identical piece of land.

But by giving two people the same piece of land, that sounds morelike a publicity stunt just to get more followers/attention.

As well, as giving some people more food than others. Is this the kind of person we want to admire? The kind of person we want to worship? Hmm...

Professor S · 09-03-2003, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Call me an elephant if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that suggest that God advocates violence and is bias against certain cultures and races?

Who would want to believe in a God like that?

Evidently those that follow Islam. Read the Koran, there are many references and passages advocating violence against infidels. Infidels are those who do not follow Islam, so that would be every other culture there is. If you like I will post them.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Evidently those that follow Islam. Read the Koran, there are many references and passages advocating violence against infidels. Infidels are those who do not follow Islam, so that would be every other culture there is. If you like I will post them.

1. Its Quran I think. Qu'ran... Something like that.

2. That would not, normally, include Christians or Jews. They're caste system is set up like this (top = best bottom = worst)

"True" Muslims (those born into Islam)
"Reformed" Muslims (those who have changed into Muslims)
"People of the Book" (Christian and Jews)
"Other" (everyone else)

I think so anyway. I may be wrong... but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

*shrugs and walks away*

GameKinG · 09-04-2003, 12:11 AM

"Unless someone recorded the day this event occured and witnessed the situation for themselves, then that reason is invalid and cannot be used as testimony for ownership of the land. Case dismissed."

I beilieve the Jews use the old testamate as their ownership documentation when God gave them the land and took it from the philistines (palistinians). Now, If your not a bible/torah (or whatever it is) goer, thats fine. Try telling the jews thats not good enough. Im not sure about muslim stuff, Im sure they were told its theirs as well.

Ace195 · 09-04-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bond

I would reply... but I can't stop laughing... I suppose this will be my reply.

That reply alone is enough for me.

mickydaniels · 09-04-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.
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Read the Koran, there are many references and passages advocating violence against infidels.

Persecution. Nobody hates someone else for no reason, you know. There's always a reason behind hatred.

Violence against infidels in the Koran. How about the Bible?
Deuteronomy 7:1-6

I haven't got time to spell it all out(classes are waiting), but it says the Jews(his chosen people) must utterly destroy the many nations around them and show no mercy. Break their altars, dash their pillars into pieces, and burn their images. If that's not violence against infidels, then I don't know what is.

Professor S · 09-04-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Persecution. Nobody hates someone else for no reason, you know. There's always a reason behind hatred.

Mickey, please keep your thinly... and I mean THINLY veiled anti-semitism off of these boards. I bet you're itching to tell me why the holocaust was justified.

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Violence against infidels in the Koran. How about the Bible?
Deuteronomy 7:1-6

I haven't got time to spell it all out(classes are waiting), but it says the Jews(his chosen people) must utterly destroy the many nations around them and show no mercy. Break their altars, dash their pillars into pieces, and burn their images. If that's not violence against infidels, then I don't know what is.

If you are going to quote scripture, please QUOTE SCRIPTURE. I have no need of your version, especially from someone who thinks David Duke is a valid source of information.