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[Crono]

Quebec is also a major economic centre for Canada, if Quebec ever seperates, the rest of Canada's economy will be hit pretty bad. I think Chretien even predicted an actual collapse our economy, if Quebec did seperate.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Crono

There's a line between having fun and obsession. I fear that weed will become too much of an obsession if legalized. It already is for some people.

Did you ever think some people do it because their lives are so sh***y that its the only thing that makes them happy.

I dont know about you, but if i had an option of living in a neighbourhood of stoners or drunks. I'd take the stoners. The drunks would act like asses and try to fight you, while stoners sleep and eat.

Alcohol would be illegal, except its mentioned in the bible, so its not. And nobody will legalize(except the green party)pot, i know they've already decriminalized it here anyways. ( i think).

And if Quebec separates where would they go? Become theyre own country? What major goods and values do they have to turn a profit? Join America? Most French-Canadains dont like America anyways.


And why do you fear weed will become an obsession, but not Alcohol, Heroin, Cocain and things like that. They are way worse that weed.


And back to Quebec, if they becasme their own country, who would be their allies? Canada, no. France, they hate them. America, them too.

So this brings me to something i heard a comedian say one time: ( its paraphrased)


" So let Quebec separate if they want to. I say, if they separate and becaome an independant nation. I think a few yeasr after they separate Canada should join the country of Quebec, all of Canada should. Then we should hold a big vote to change the name of the country back to Canada and start all over from there."

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Did you ever think some people do it because their lives are so sh***y that its the only thing that makes them happy.

That is their problem, the rest of society doesn't give a ****, never will, and should not be affected by their problems.

I dont know about you, but if i had an option of living in a neighbourhood of stoners or drunks. I'd take the stoners. The drunks would act like asses and try to fight you, while stoners sleep and eat.

Stereotypes. Some stoners are asses too.

Alcohol would be illegal, except its mentioned in the bible, so its not. And nobody will legalize(except the green party)pot, i know they've already decriminalized it here anyways. ( i think).

And if Quebec separates where would they go? Become theyre own country? What major goods and values do they have to turn a profit? Join America? Most French-Canadains dont like America anyways.

Quebec as lumber, mineral ore, and hydro power. Those turn in good profit.

And why do you fear weed will become an obsession, but not Alcohol, Heroin, Cocain and things like that. They are way worse that weed.

Alcohol, Cigarettes, etc etc are ALREADY obsession for some people. And it does piss me off. Look at smoking. Most people have an extremely hard time quitting. If you legalize "pot", everyone will want to do it and it will create problems for more people. Weed deteriorates the brain just like the rest of them. If you want to have this **** legalized, go vote for your leftist parties, and when one of your best friends becomes an addict (because he would be able to smoke it whenever he wants, without anyone doing anything about it), I will laugh in your face.

Listen. I hate stoners. I hate drunks. I hate anyone who is addicted to any kind of drug. And if you're doing this to escape your apparent "harsh" life, you got some major problems. Kill yourself to rid us of your presence.

Yeah... the one excuse... "My life is bad, so I'm going to drink/smoke it away, and I'm just too much of a loser to do anything else to even improve myself. And guess what? Millions of people worldwide suffer from war, hunger etc., but that's nothing compared to my recent breaking up with my girlfriend, or the fact that I just failed half of a semester". Blah blah blah, "I'm an idiot".

And back to Quebec, if they becasme their own country, who would be their allies? Canada, no. France, they hate them. America, them too.

More of the reason for them to just not seperate from the rest of Canada.

[Professor S]

I believe that weed should be legalized. Every study I have ever seen lists pot at being far less addictive than even alcohol and nearly impossible to overdose on (you would have to consume your body weight in a day). In fact President Nixon commissioned a study on the drug in the early seventies and when the results of the study actually recommended the legalization of the drug he had the study buried.

I also don't think you should just let anyone who wants it, have it. Place the same regulations on weed consumption that are placed on alcohol consumption. No one under 21 (or 18 if Canada or whomever) and no driving while under the influence or operating heavy machinery. Let the state regulate it, tax the crap out of it and that way it will be a boon to the state's pocketbooks instead of sucking them dry. As of 2001 (I think) over $70 billion have been spent by the US alone to stop the trafficing and use of weed. What a waste.

The real reason why pot will never be legalized is because of the petroleum industry, not the pharmaceutical industry. Hemp can make plastics, clothing and fuel and its all very affordable and very replenishable. There are strains of hemp that contain NO THC (the chemical that produces the high) that my and most other governments WILL NOT LEGALIZE. Why? Big Oil. Petroleum runs the business world from plastics to fuel. Looks around your room and wonder how many things in it are made from petroleum.

THATS the real reason why weed will not be generally legalized anytime soon.

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IMO

[Seth]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

I believe that weed should be legalized. Every study I have ever seen lists pot at being far less addictive than even alcohol and nearly impossible to overdose on (you would have to consume your body weight in a day). In fact President Nixon commissioned a study on the drug in the early seventies and when the results of the study actually recommended the legalization of the drug he had the study buried.

I also don't think you should just let anyone who wants it, have it. Place the same regulations on weed consumption that are placed on alcohol consumption. No one under 21 (or 18 if Canada or whomever) and no driving while under the influence or operating heavy machinery. Let the state regulate it, tax the crap out of it and that way it will be a boon to the state's pocketbooks instead of sucking them dry. As of 2001 (I think) over $70 billion have been spent by the US alone to stop the trafficing and use of weed. What a waste.

The real reason why pot will never be legalized is because of the petroleum industry, not the pharmaceutical industry. Hemp can make plastics, clothing and fuel and its all very affordable and very replenishable. There are strains of hemp that contain NO THC (the chemical that produces the high) that my and most other governments WILL NOT LEGALIZE. Why? Big Oil. Petroleum runs the business world from plastics to fuel. Looks around your room and wonder how many things in it are made from petroleum.

THATS the real reason why weed will not be generally legalized anytime soon.

...

IMO

Good thoughts.

The jamming up of the judicial system is also another issue. The penalties for marijuana crimes in Canada are substantially less than that of the US, but it still bloats our prisons and courts.









CBC radio right now. There's a nifty discussion on cross country checkup. They have all the candidates from a riding in Ontario(somewhere near toronto) Barry or something. Anyway, there's been some important questions asked. cbc radio 1 and it's on the tv as well i think.

[Typhoid]

This is the first time ive ever agreed with you Strangler.



And Crono, I didnt mean people with petty problems use weed to solve their problems. Open your mind a little. I have an example.

My friend who is 24 never knew his dad because he left him when he was a child, and his mom commited suicide. Now surely according to you, he should kill himself, because, well, lets face it, he smokes weed. Thats the answer everyone, let all severely depressed stoners kill themselves, then and then only will i be happy.


And i think they should sell it in stores, such as cigarettes, and alcohol. I feel most peple do it to rebel, now im not saying legalizing it will make everyone stop, but it will free up our courts of stupid cases of a teen with a joint on him.

Weed doesnt make you stupider,It impares you for the short term, but only while your high. Much as alcohol, that doesnt necesarily make you stupider, except when your drunk.
Ex. My dad has been smoking weed for a number of years now ( since the 60's) and he went to University for years to study to be a computer systems technician or analyst. He used to be the manager of all the power in the vancouver area for B.C. Hydro. But now his part was bought out by Accenture business services, and now he is a Systems manager of Half of B.C.'s power ( along with a few other guys)

Now surely, if it made you stupider, he would always be veging out on the couch, but no, he holds a good job with good pay.



Anyways, sadly think the Conservatives will win the election, which will suck, because they will probably do to Canada what Campbell did to B.C. Which is cut jobs and make stupid laws and things like that.


In Canada now, if you have 3 grams of weed ( i think) you just get a fine, im prettys sure of, and its small. Opposed to the U.S. where its like tons of years, which is retarted.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

My friend who is 24 never knew his dad because he left him when he was a child, and his mom commited suicide. Now surely according to you, he should kill himself, because, well, lets face it, he smokes weed. Thats the answer everyone, let all severely depressed stoners kill themselves, then and then only will i be happy.

Does he "just smoke weed" or is he a hardcore stoner?

Either they kill themselves or they face up to their problems. People bitch about everything bad in their life yet you don't see them doing anything about it. It's isn't my problem that he has no parents, I don't see why we should legalize weed just so people like him can go to the store and buy it, just to become not depressed for a brief time.

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but that is just my opinion of low-life stoners (or any low life drug addict). If you have to resort to drugs, get your ass to the ****ing mental hospital so you can re-enter society as someone who is worth something to someone.

And i think they should sell it in stores, such as cigarettes, and alcohol. I feel most peple do it to rebel, now im not saying legalizing it will make everyone stop, but it will free up our courts of stupid cases of a teen with a joint on him.

Well I agree with you there. The only reason why people do drugs (aside from addiction) is to be cool. Why? Because that's what the big shot rappers and wiggers do on TV. Rap culture has taught us it's ok to be in gangs and to do drugs. Kids are stupid these days, they'll listen to what music and tv tells them to do. Pitiful.

And, if it was legalized, yes, I do think age limits should be set and anyone who tries to sell it to younger ones get's my foot in their ass (aka let's say... a 2000 dollar fine, possibly more).

Weed doesnt make you stupider,It impares you for the short term, but only while your high. Much as alcohol, that doesnt necesarily make you stupider, except when your drunk.
Ex. My dad has been smoking weed for a number of years now ( since the 60's) and he went to University for years to study to be a computer systems technician or analyst. He used to be the manager of all the power in the vancouver area for B.C. Hydro. But now his part was bought out by Accenture business services, and now he is a Systems manager of Half of B.C.'s power ( along with a few other guys)
Now surely, if it made you stupider, he would always be veging out on the couch, but no, he holds a good job with good pay.

I am glad to hear that your Dad has a good job. However, it is a fact that weed/alcohol/whatever slowly deteriorates brain cells. This also depends on how often you do it, and what volume is consumed. There are numerous factors. I mean if you smoke a lot of weed a day in the end you are going to be right ****ed in the head.

I'll be honest, I'll drink with my friends. But it is not daily excessive drinking. It's casual. On the other hand, "casual" weed smoking wouldn't be too bad, but still, I would hate to hear the cheers of victory of the hardcore stoners at my school, I would be depressed myself.

[Professor S]

Crono, there are hardcore drinkers and weed smokers much as there are casual drinkers and weed smokers. I work in a bar and its downright sad to see what alcohol has done to some of these people, but then again they are in the minority, much like the hardcore/addict weed smokers are. In fact, its my opinion that those we refer to as weed addicts are more addicted to the culture of weed than to the actual drug. Think about it. Crack addicts need to smoke crack everyday, but you don't see them growing dreadlocks, wearing ponchos, cut offs and flip flops, following Phish across the country and spraying pachulli stink all over themselves.

In fact, when ABUSED, alcohol is FAR more damaging to the human body than weed. It causes permanent loss of brain cells, unlike weed (studies done on marijuana cite than THC actually blocks receptors in the brain, but when use subsides these blockages dissappear over time. The time it takes corresponds with the amount/length of time the drug has been smoked.) And while weed when consumed through smoke does give the chance of causing cancer, a far shorter length of abuse of alcohol is much more likely to cause liver cancer and sclerhosis (sp?). A woman I worked with abused alcohol for 4 years, abuse meaning daily consumption of several drinks to the point of intoxication, joined AA and even went to rehab, and got liver cancer 9 years after being clean and sober.

In the end we are splitting hairs. The main point behind all of this is hypocrisy. Weed is illegal and sucks billions of our tax dollars down the drain while alcohol is legal and makes our countries tax revenue while it is more detrimental to our bodies.

Legalize it, regulate it through the state (like they do in PA with alcohol where it can only be purchased in state run stores), and tax the crap out of it. Plus, think of all the drug related crime that will be stopped. This is a win/win senario from whatever angle you look at it from.

In case you are wondering where I am getting all this information, it is coming from two places: Two psychology classes I took in college that dealt with the effects of drugs and alcohol on the function of the brain and a great documentary I recently saw on the Sundance Channel called Weed... no I'm not joking

[Typhoid]

Crono, my dad smokes like, alot of weed every day, ask Dylflon.

And I dont know about Canada, i dont think it sucks tons of money out of our system, if anything it puts some in. Becaus i know for some of the grow-ops they uncover, they sell the weed for huge profit to hospitals.

I dont think weed should be treated any differently than Alcohol or cigarettes, like i previously said, because they all affect you in the same basic way, except one is shunned only because....well....you know what, i have no idea why cigarettes are legal and weed isnt to tell you the truth.


And i find it strange that a thread about Canadian government turned into a heated debate over weed.



EDIT: OK, im starting to lose patience with stoners, my dad just ate all my cookies.

[Crono]

Well, regardless, my opinion of people who actually smoke weed and the drug itself will never change. I despise people who abuse any kind of drugs.

But you're right, if legalized, we can tax the hell out of it. I mean, if people want it that bad, then they can pay the government for it. And if they complain, they can suck on it. Everytime the price of cigarettes goes up in Canada I just sit back and laugh. If weed is legalized, I hope they do the same (by consistently raising it's price).

[Professor S]

Crono, if you've ever drank alcohol to the point of being drunk, you have abused drugs. Alcohol is a drug.

Don't be so quick to give out judgement on others. Everything is relative.

Physician, heal thy self.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Crono

Well, regardless, my opinion of people who actually smoke weed and the drug itself will never change. I despise people who abuse any kind of drugs.

But you're right, if legalized, we can tax the hell out of it. I mean, if people want it that bad, then they can pay the government for it. And if they complain, they can suck on it. Everytime the price of cigarettes goes up in Canada I just sit back and laugh. If weed is legalized, I hope they do the same (by consistently raising it's price).

I agree 100% with you. I dont smoke, drink, or put anything else into my body that could harm it. I may drink some day, but it will only be casually and not very often at all. Almost always for a celebration of some sort. Because I stick to what I have always said before: Drunk people are stupid. I dont want to degrade myself to act in a way I will regret later. Drunk people embarras themselves, and I'm too proud to do that. If it was for a celebration, and I was with friends who I knew very well and trusted, I wouldnt mind so much.

Here recently where I live, cigarett prices have been getting kind of high, and I have heard that in other regions of the USA, they are even more costly. I love hearing that. If people are going to kill themselves, I want them to give as much money to our government to help me out before they die of lung cancer or whatever.

I think it's a good idea to legalize pot (because people are going to find a way to get it anyway), but once it's legal, they should charge a lot for it, and tax the heck out of it.

But I'm not canadian, so my opinion doesnt really matter in this thread, but speaking in a general sort of way: I think it's a good idea if they charge a lot for it, and tax it a lot.

Speaking of drinking and alcohol: It's not legal to sell it in the county I live in. We are considered a "dry" county. I find this incredibly stupid. All the drunks and people in my county that want to drink are going to get alcohol. They'll just go to another county and spend their money there to get it. I dont understand why they dont just make us a wet county, that way at least the money stays here.

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

NDP wants "secretly" to capitalize and privatize businesses, which means we might have to pay for servises such as a hospital

What the hell are you talking about?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Nitram

What the hell are you talking about?

T'was a joke good sir. I forgot the little toungue smilie, or the winking one.