The Republican Convention

[Dylflon]

How was Zell's speach great? He was freaking insane. Not to mention after his speech he told that guy from the Hardball show that he wished he could challenge him to a duel. Do you really want this guy representing your party?

[Jonbo298]

Now Now Dylflon...*goes quiet for a few seconds* I challenge you to a duel!

[Typhoid]

Is Zell Miller not a registered Democrat?


And he said something about having respect for the men and women in uniform, how they are higher above other people because they are defending America and stuff. ( talking about the soldiers.) But was Kerry not in the Vietnam war?

I kind of think the political system in the US is all messed up.

You only have 2 main parties.

2 Parties cant speak for the majority of a country, so you get these severe arguments all the time. And everything is either "Democrat" or "Republican" or "Liberal". It seems that they only want to help the people who back them. And im talking every party.


EDIT: Oops, i didnt mean to quote that...no idea how i didnt notice.

[Bond]

Arnold is a Republican, what are you talking about?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

How was Zell's speach great? He was freaking insane. Not to mention after his speech he told that guy from the Hardball show that he wished he could challenge him to a duel. Do you really want this guy representing your party?

Zell's speech was great because he had the most impassioned speech and he was a member of the opposing party who spoke for Clinton just 12 years earlier. You can also ignore every point he made about Kerry's voting record if you like by talking about him being "insane", but then you're just grabbing at straws and looking for something to criticize because you realize the points he made were correct. In essence he showed how Kerry pretty much votes and supports anything he thinks is popular at the time.

Case in point: Kerry has said time and time again how he would have had the US miltary have better equipment and how every should have had body armor... yet he's voted against almost every single defense spending initiative while a Congressman and against body armor in particular. You can't have it both ways.

I thought Bush was in trouble before the conventions, but between the Republican convention and Edward's borderline silly "Two America's" speech that turned off a lot of moderates, I think this election won't even be that close.

As for challenging for a duel, I think we all know he was using hyperbole to drive a point home. Don't try and make it into something that its not.

[Typhoid]

But in a sense, cant you just omit, or give less credability what he said?

Because hes a Democrat, yet he stood there like a Republican saying Democrats are wrong and Republicans are better. And you say Kerry flip-flops.

[Jonbo298]

I think Arnold's one-liners and odd choice of words was borderline silly also

[Classic Rocker]

Political parites have been blown way out of proportion. It does nothing but divide the country. It has some benfits, but the whole Republican vs Democrat thing has gone far enough. None of these candiates are talking about bringing major changes. They just want there moment of the limelight. I want results. I want action to be taken. I don't care about policy. Lets just do what we need to do to ensure our nation succeeds.

Just my rant.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Classic Rocker

Political parites have been blown way out of proportion. It does nothing but divide the country. It has some benfits, but the whole Republican vs Democrat thing has gone far enough. None of these candiates are talking about bringing major changes. They just want there moment of the limelight. I want results. I want action to be taken. I don't care about policy. Lets just do what we need to do to ensure our nation succeeds.

Just my rant.

Unfortunately, a very small amount of politicians think that way. Remember... politics is just a game.

[Jonbo298]

Your right about parties not focusing on the intended things. I hate hearing both parties complain about X person's military history. Who really gives a ****? I don't care about a candidates military history, I care about what he wants to do for the country and his issues/ideas that WILL matter to me. I don't care if Bush supposedly dodged the military or that Kerry suposedly wasn't in Vietnam. Do any of those things matter to whats happening today or in the future? no

[Typhoid]

Its a penis waving competition.

Its all one upsmanship, thats all they are doing.

They arnt adressing issues, but they are tarnishing eachothers reputation to heighten themselves.

They get to issues time and time again, but then it deterriorates into John Kerry's Purple hearts, or Bush not going to Vietnam.

I would have respect for whoever just rom this point on dopesnt tarnish the reputation of the other candidate. That would get my vote.

But I think the Republicans are getting too harsh on Kerry. Way too harsh. Politics shouldnt be about who did what and when, it should be about whos doing what and how.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

But I think the Republicans are getting too harsh on Kerry. Way too harsh. Politics shouldnt be about who did what and when, it should be about whos doing what and how.

I think thats a double standard. The Democrats have been just as harsh against Bush, except during their convention, and have received no criticism for it. When the Republicans do the same thing, they are reamed a new a-hole for it. Its the same thing with the 527 advertisement issue.

And it should be about BOTH who did what when and what how. What a politician did in the past is the ONLY device you can use to measure what he will do in the future. Based on that evidence, Kerry has little credibility on the anti-terrorism stances he has claimed now and it is a VERY valid argument to bring up in a campaign or debate.

As for your points about Zell Miller, he believes he isn;t wishy washy at all, but that the Democratic party has abandoned HIM, and if you look at modern political history he has a point. If you look at the platform that JFK ran on, he appears much more of a moderate Republican by today's standards than a Democrat.

[Typhoid]

more of a moderate Republican by today's standards than a Democrat

Then why is Zell Miller not a registered Republican?

What a politician did in the past is the ONLY device you can use to measure what he will do in the future

How so?

Kerry went to war...so that means what? How can you tell what he did in the past as reference to the future?

Bush didnt go to Vietnam, so how can you judge how he will act by what he did and didnt do?

People change, they grow up and get more mature and get different views on things.

he believes he isn;t wishy washy at all

Nor does Kerry, yet hes pegged as a flip-flopper. Imagine that.

The Democrats have been just as harsh against Bush, except during their convention, and have received no criticism for it

All right then. Name all the slander campaigns that the democrats have put against Bush.

I havent seen one commercial about things saying how Bush didnt go to Vietnam, but i did see the one aimed at Kerry.

I dont see democrats constantly slandering Bush's war record, and things like that, as the republicans do to Kerry.

And good on the Democrats for not using the chance to publicly slander the Republicans during the DNC.

Did you ever stop to think that the Republicans get so much heat for saying **** about Kerry, because they did it during the RNC.

Arnt the conventions supposed to be about your issues, your points, what would make the country better if you were in office?

I never knew it was about slander, lies, deciet, propoganda and name calling.

[dropCGCF]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Its a penis waving competition.

That's the worst and most true thing i've ever heard.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Then why is Zell Miller not a registered Republican?

He refuses as he is still domestically pretty liberal and he does not feel he is doing his party a service by abandoning it to the far left. Its his goal to try and bring it back to the Democratic Party of old.

How so?

Kerry went to war...so that means what? How can you tell what he did in the past as reference to the future?

Bush didnt go to Vietnam, so how can you judge how he will act by what he did and didnt do?

People change, they grow up and get more mature and get different views on things.

I was referring to Kerry's voting record, not his war service, which I respect. You judge a politician by what he does, not by what he says he will do. And I will remind you of a direct quote from Senator Kerry.

"I voted for the war, until I voted against it."

All right then. Name all the slander campaigns that the democrats have put against Bush.

I havent seen one commercial about things saying how Bush didnt go to Vietnam, but i did see the one aimed at Kerry

I dont see democrats constantly slandering Bush's war record, and things like that, as the republicans do to Kerry.

That was not by the Republican party, but by a 527 called the Swift Boat Veteran's For Truth (who have come out in support of democrats in the past, by the way). Much like the Democratic party has 527's such as MoveOn.org that are "not associated" with the party, yet accused President Bush of poisoning pregnant women at one point.

If you are going to associate Swift Boat with the Republican Party, you have to associate MoveOn.org with the democrats.

Also, I don't believe anyone slandered Kerry's war record at the Republican convention once. In fact, I believe most of the speakers spoke very highly of his record.

And good on the Democrats for not using the chance to publicly slander the Republicans during the DNC.

Nor did the Republicans. The Republicans went after Kerry's VOTING RECORD, not war record, which is a completely valid campaign issue which most people were probably not aware of.

Did you ever stop to think that the Republicans get so much heat for saying **** about Kerry, because they did it during the RNC.

Did you ever think they got so much **** because of the liberal media defending their poster boy and reaching fro straws when all of the inconsistencies in Kerry's voting record were exposed? Its better to change the subject than actually discuss the issues that were brought up.

Arnt the conventions supposed to be about your issues, your points, what would make the country better if you were in office?

Voting record IS AN ISSUE, and is one of the biggest differences between Bush and Kerry. You might not like Bush, but at least you know what he stands for and what his plans are for the country. Kerry, on the other hand, has changed his stance on the war 3 times during his campaign alone.

I never knew it was about slander, lies, deciet, propoganda and name calling.

You call it slander, I call it pointing out the truth, which of course means that ITS NOT SLANDER, LIES OR DECEIT. Propoganda? Well, thats debatable depending on your definition.

Just because you don't like what was said, doesn't mean that its not true or a valid issue in the campaign for the Presidency.