Artist Battle: Kyuzo vs. Vampyr (Art Submission) - Page 3

Vampyr · 03-12-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyuzo

Like I said, Vamp..... I accept the outcome........ However next time I would like to be judged by people I can see, people with names.

It's an empty gratuitous gesture to thank judges you don't know.

I'm surprised Null and BLueFire wasn't part of the panel considering they are part of the Artist's Clique in GT more than anyone else. I'm pretty sure Null or BF didn't bet in the vBookie either.

Another thing I wanted to ask you Vamp..... How did you render that in Photoshop only? It seems like the lighting effects and material could only be done in 3dSM... and you don't have it.

I'd like to know...

I'll tell you as soon as you stop using so many periods.

To make the background, I used a ton of the abstract brush's that I have collected since I started using shotoshop, and I had like 20 layers of brushing. Then I used the colorize tool to make them all orange by sampeling a piece of the torch. I turned up the saturation and slightly turned up the lighting to give it a bright, 3-d fiery look. Then I erased all the overlapping areas of the brushes, and merged them together.

Then I put the torch underneath them all, and set the blend mode to either hue, saturation, or color. I can't remember which. For some reason parts of him became grey after that, so I had to go back and color them in. That was pretty much it. I used a brush and some clever alignment to make it look like he was erupting out of the flames.

GameMaster · 03-12-2005, 02:53 PM

Although anonymous, the judges were real people. With the exception of one, the other four judges are not active artists here on GT or elsewhere as far as I know. Even though they were randomly selected, I actually think having non-artists judging can be better. Because the judgments you receive from them are purely based on what they see. Unlike artists, who would also be to spot certain photoshop techniques, filters, effects, etc. By having people who can't spot that stuff, you get a more effective judgement because they're simply voting by what is plainly visible and the emotions that the picture evokes in them. Which is one of the fundementals of viewing art and creating it.

In my opinion, it's not important whether the judges are identified or not. Knowing their names won't change their true opinions. I actually believe that by keeping their identities a secret, you receive a more honest critique because no one has to worry about hurting feelings and ruining friendships.

Anyway, me and Vampyr are hard at work planning the future of Artists Battles here. It's likely that future battles will use polls to determine winners. That way, more people can vote and we won't having anyone questioning the truthfulness of the Royal Panel. And those who want to comment can post their opinions within the thread and those who want to remain anoymous won't have to post anything.

Fox 6 · 03-12-2005, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GameMaster

Although anonymous, the judges were real people. With the exception of one, the other four judges are not active artists here on GT or elsewhere as far as I know. Even though they were randomly selected, I actually think having non-artists judging can be better. Because the judgments you receive from them are purely based on what they see. Unlike artists, who would also be to spot certain photoshop techniques, filters, effects, etc. By having people who can't spot that stuff, you get a more effective judgement because they're simply voting by what is plainly visible and the emotions that the picture evokes in them. Which is one of the fundementals of viewing art and creating it.

In my opinion, it's not important whether the judges are identified or not. Knowing their names won't change their true opinions. I actually believe that by keeping their identities a secret, you receive a more honest critique because no one has to worry about hurting feelings and ruining friendships.

Anyway, me and Vampyr are hard at work planning the future of Artists Battles here. It's likely that future battles will use polls to determine winners. That way, more people can vote and we won't having anyone questioning the truthfulness of the Royal Panel. And those who want to comment can post their opinions within the thread and those who want to remain anoymous won't have to post anything.

That was very thought provoking GM

/me has a overload of thoughts

Null · 03-12-2005, 03:01 PM

well maybe 'artists' are more critical, but thats because they know whats going on, and know what level of talent things take, and how much work was put into it.

and maybe people who have no eye for art can sit back and look at something at a totally different view. Which would be why if you had a set of judges, it 'should' be half and half. 3 high level artists, and 3 unartistic people. Would give you a wider range of views. Because just cuz some people cant see certain details and what skill things take, doesnt mean they shouldnt count for anything.

(note none of this applies to anything anyone has created or drawn up here, its just totally in general)

Stray_Bullet · 03-13-2005, 11:50 AM

Yes. The ones with PS knowledge would judge techincally, and those without would judge artistically.

BlueFire · 03-13-2005, 02:42 PM

Holy crap, I just found this thread existing.

Damn, what a shame. :[

I liked both entries. Great job :P

We should have photography and traditional art battles too. That would be fun. :]

dropCGCF · 03-13-2005, 07:52 PM

I would LOVE a philosophy battle.

I am the first official entrant in a philosophy battle, who wants to challenge me?

MuGen · 03-13-2005, 09:31 PM

The idea of half and half is perfect.

Because the view from non-artists is good as well as the view from fellow artists. If they spot the techniques used, they can judge on how well the technique was done. I always found critiques to be more full coming from fellow Designers, because they would know best how to improve on my work, so that I can improve as a designer as well.

Coming from non designers, they give critiques that are constructive yet give me no information on how to work on it.

I went to IT school for Multimedia Design and I loved class critiques because thats how I learned how to be better.

i.e. coming from a Designer, "You're using the airbrush too much, you can tone it down a little and you will create that perfect effect."

i.e. coming from a Non-Designer, "I think it's too bright for me, and I'm not a huge fan of this kinda effect...... thats it..."

lol anyways, I'm glad to see everyone hopping on the artists bandwagon.