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Jonbo298 · 12-08-2005, 05:20 PM

NES didnt really have a direct competitor, per se.

SNES had Genesis so that cut the sales down obviously

N64 had the PS1 and for a short time the Saturn so with the rabid success of the PS1, that cut it also.

Gamecube has the PS2 and Xbox to deal with and well...the fact gaming has gone inanely mainstream thanks to the PS2 and Xbox

Thats my excuses for Nintendo's dwindling sales

DeathsHand · 12-08-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

NES didnt really have a direct competitor, per se.

SNES had Genesis so that cut the sales down obviously

N64 had the PS1 and for a short time the Saturn so with the rabid success of the PS1, that cut it also.

Gamecube has the PS2 and Xbox to deal with and well...the fact gaming has gone inanely mainstream thanks to the PS2 and Xbox

Thats my excuses for Nintendo's dwindling sales

That's a great excuse... The Nintendo brand can compete when there's no competition

GameMaster · 12-08-2005, 06:42 PM

For a true gamer, it's not about playing the best games or getting the best features. It's about loyalty. And since the Nintendo came before PlayStation and Xbox, only true video gamers remain loyal to, support and play Nintendo. Support for any other system is just a paltry attempt to jump on the trendy digital-age bandwagon.

Jonbo298 · 12-08-2005, 11:03 PM

But what about Sega?

Granted, they have stopped hardware but still

The Germanator · 12-08-2005, 11:05 PM

Master System Vs. NES

Just so you don't forget.

*fondles his Master System*

Jonbo298 · 12-08-2005, 11:15 PM

Ah yes, the Master system...the console most never knew

DarrenMcLeod · 12-09-2005, 12:18 AM

Wonderboy!

DeathsHand · 12-09-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Germanator

Master System Vs. NES

Just so you don't forget.

*fondles his Master System*

I can fondle mine too! *fondles his Master System*...

Unfortunately I don't own many games on it... But it's worth it for Rampage and Choplifter...

Perhaps you have some recommendations as to what games I should seek out? :O

I mean uhh... Yeah how bout that IGN revolution channel...

thatmariolover · 12-09-2005, 02:55 AM

This gaming generation is different from every other; or so everyone keeps saying. But I personally don’t buy it at all. Looking at the past console eras I feel these consoles themselves are probably less changed from their direct predecessors than any other generation of consoles. The graphical leap from NES to SNES might not be completely apparent to most people, but Nintendo multiplied their processing power by almost 100 every way around. From the number of sprites they could have on the screen at once to the color pallet they had at their disposal, the jump was huge.

Look at the next jump, from SNES to N64; it was still a huge leap. From 2D to 3D – even the PSX was a massive jump. But that jump put the wrong idea into the head of almost everybody in the Industry – even Nintendo. The N64 was advertised as the most powerful system available – and affordable too. Everybody saw the leaps in graphical capability as exponentially and expected it to continue; until the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube came out. Then I think the console makers started to understand what they were getting themselves into and what was happening.

Microsoft may be an exception because of their relatively recent venture into the console entertainment market. Then again, they're generally fairly shrewd about their business practices. I think Sony and Nintendo on the other hand realized full well what was expected of them and what kinds of limitations they were going to run into. From every rumor available Sony’s apparently decided to deliver another huge jump no matter what the cost to the company or consumer; maybe I’ll get a PS3 when the time comes if it’s reasonable – but what happens the generation after this one? Nintendo on the other hand decided not to change the hardware so much as offer a decent jump in graphics and combine it with new concepts for the way we should be expecting games to change. Two to three times as powerful as the Gamecube isn’t something to be shrugged at. And for the price point that so many groups and industry analysts are expecting it seems more than reasonable.

I don’t want my point lost before I’m done so here it is. I’ve been coming to Game Tavern in some form or another almost since the very beginning to see most of us really grow in terms of our concepts and understanding of the gaming industry. Most of us were massively opinionated fan-boys (or girls) of one persuasion or another (myself included) when we first came here. But through tons of debates and arguments our enthusiasm for the gaming industry was tempered. And most of us seemed to really come to an understanding that graphics didn’t make a game before, and they’re not going to make a game now. They can help you be immersed in the world you’re in and I can understand that – because I like amazing graphics as much as the next guy.

So many people think that Nintendo’s going to lose out on this next generation. But Nintendo knows how to choose their fights and I think they have a real chance to succeed. They’ve chosen to not compete on a playing field that they know they can’t win on. Nintendo’s playing a different game and if they can convince other people to play with them then they've already won - because they've got no competition. I am a Nintendo fan - and maybe I don't come from the perspective of some of you. But I think that most of you are being naive if you are willing to believe Nintendo is dead without seeing its lifeless corpse in the cold earth.

DeathsHand · 12-09-2005, 04:11 AM

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Nintendo’s playing a different game and if they can convince other people to play with them then they've already won - because they've got no competition.

"If they can convince other people to play"... That's exactly the issue...

Personally, I don't think they can... Just a hunch, of course... If we were placing bets, I'd put my money on Rev. being somewhat of a 'failure' (although that word may be a bit too harsh)...

But like I said, just a hunch... There's no real hard evidence as of yet to show that it will go one way or the other... And that's why I'm really interested (moreso than last gen) to see what happens with the Rev... Because it's so different, how will things play out for it?

Will consumers embrace the new controller? Will developers?
Will people take a look at the graphics and say "You get what you pay for. *puts down the Rev. and picks up a PS3/360*"? Or will they dig the idea of being able to play games in a different way for less?

Tune in next time!

BreakABone · 12-09-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

"If they can convince other people to play"... That's exactly the issue...

Personally, I don't think they can... Just a hunch, of course... If we were placing bets, I'd put my money on Rev. being somewhat of a 'failure' (although that word may be a bit too harsh)...

But like I said, just a hunch... There's no real hard evidence as of yet to show that it will go one way or the other... And that's why I'm really interested (moreso than last gen) to see what happens with the Rev... Because it's so different, how will things play out for it?

Will consumers embrace the new controller? Will developers?
Will people take a look at the graphics and say "You get what you pay for. *puts down the Rev. and picks up a PS3/360*"? Or will they dig the idea of being able to play games in a different way for less?

Tune in next time!

And sadly, I don't think this falls into the lap of Nintendo.

Sure they will have all of their staples, and I'm sure people would buy it in droves, but it would probably been the same people who have been buying it for the last 20 years.

What they need are 3rd parties to come out, not only with exclusives but with ports that can't play anywhere else controls.

I mean imagine if EA were to take advantage of the Rev controller and allow you to directly control your pass. It would allow a lot of people who get pissed off at Madden, but still buy it to no longer blame the controller or other nonsense (and trust me they do, I know way too many people who play Madden)

Or maybe a FPS that not only looks good but offers a level of control that Halo or Killzone may never touch this generation.

I'm sure they are making some backdoor business, but they really need to throw everything they got into the system in the first year or so.

First party or 3rd party because hopefully they can build up a big enough base so that people are more willing to experiment when the 2nd year comes around and the graphics are less of an issue when people feel they need the controller to play.

Null · 12-09-2005, 12:45 PM

well if ps3 and x360 allow for keyboard/mice, then they've arleady have the top level of control over the lution controller, theres no doubt that nitnendos controller will be better then a normal controller for FPS, but every review i've read from people who've tried it admit it still doesnt touch the pc setup.

and with icon passing in sports games, i think its still alot easier to press X to pass to the person with X over thier head then anything this controller could do.
Say you could throw it like a real foot ball in the direction you want to throw your pass....
Fun? oh hell yea, it would be a blast.
Practical? sadly no, expecially in the age of competitive gaming, you using something thats 'fun' and someone else using something for more precision, they're gunna win, and they're gunna have more fun because of the win.
Having something be fun to me does not replace a better way of controlling something.

Anywho, that issue aside.. My main question is this...

the way nintendos controller works, is setup on the sensors you have to put around your TV, which makes it an accessory to the main console. Now if by some chance this controller succeeds, what really would be stopping Sony or MS from producing an addon that does the same thing... then either of them claiming they have both the graphics AND the controller then.

i mean it honestly wouldnt be hard for either of them to do that.

i think nintendo is trying to let MS and Sony battle each other, but i think they're putting themselves in a spot that they may not be able to climb out of later on.

Canyarion · 12-09-2005, 02:05 PM

That's what I also thought of. Like the analog stick, rumble function, this can be easily copied into other controllers. It happened before...
Nintendo will need more than this to sell their console.

Jonbo298 · 12-09-2005, 02:15 PM

We also have to remember we dont know the full capaibilty of the Controller yet. Miyamoto said there is something else about it we dont know yet.

What I'm hoping for also is that Ninty does what IGN and other sides have shown, taking the "middle" out of a wavebird controller and sticking in the Rev controller and you have a normal controller but with Rev capabilities also. That would make it so both camps are happy (Nintendo and other 3rd party companies)

DeathsHand · 12-09-2005, 02:52 PM

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what really would be stopping Sony or MS from producing an addon that does the same thing...

I heard someone ask that on the IGN board, and the reply he got was "Nintendo patents"...

*shrug* I dunno exactly how that works, or if Sony/MS will be able to find a non-infringing way to make their own version of the controller...

And even if they did release one, it wouldn't be the default controller, so it could be an eye-toy kind of situation where it gets like... 5 games over the console's lifetime...

But eh! If it's "INNOVATIVE AND AMAZING, THE FUTURE OF GAMING!" as Nintendo fans are all hyped up about, it'd be a no-brainer that someone's gonna copy it somehow somewhere down the line...

And of course Nintendo fans would then get all pissed off, yelling about how Sony/MS ripped Nintendo off, and how the future of gaming was supposed to be owned exclusively by Nintendo...